Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Loss of manufacturing to other countries for cheaper wages and and work force that doesn't have the technical skills to acquire decent paying jobs are both part of the problem.
You specifically said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodnight
We have an income equality problem, undeniable but some wnat to blame it on those at the bottom for not working hard enough.
I merely explained why wages are persistently low for those at the bottom.
Quote:
Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Actually, it's a supply and demand problem. There's a glut of low/uneducated, unskilled labor. Too much supply is keeping wages low.
Two factors are contributing to that problem:
1) The poor are over-reproducing. Women receiving public assistance, as a group, have a birth rate 3 times higher than women who don't receive public assistance. Than, in itself has led to the additional problem of nearly half of all U.S. births being paid for by Medicaid (health program for the poor). 70% of those kids will never rise out of poverty, even as adults.
2) Millions of undereducated, low-skilled immigrants both legal and illegal are also competing for those same jobs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodnight
Addtionally the top few percent received most of the increases over the last several decades while the middle class stagnated.
Beings as John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree, in aggregate, are the majority of corporate shareholders ($24 trillion invested in their pension funds and retirement accounts), I'm not sure why they don't make their voices heard on that via their proxy votes for corporations' Boards of Directors. If too much in compensation increases are going to the top executives, vote for a Board of Directors who will change that.
Last edited by InformedConsent; 11-02-2015 at 11:17 AM..
You specifically said:
I merely explained why wages are persistently low for those at the bottom.
Beings as John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree, in aggregate, are the majority of corporate sharholders ($24 trillion invested in their pension funds and retirement accounts), I'm not sure why they don't make their voices heard on that via their proxy votes for corporations Boards of Directors. If too much in compensation increases are going to the top executives, vote for a Board of Directors who will change that.
Some of the larger pension funds can have an impact on boards but not the individual investors. Very difficult to get other than the usual cronies at these companies and the executive compensations are usually passed without incident. Company suceeds they win, company fails they win and get a paid vacation.
This was one of the few where the California Pension Fund took CITIGroup's CEO to task, we need more.
Quote:
CalPERS was among a number of Citigroup shareowners that publicly rebuffed Citigroup’s executive pay package at their annual meeting this week. Anne Simpson, CalPERS Director of Corporate Governance, outlined why the pension fund, which holds ten million shares of Citigroup stock, voted against the $14.9 million pay package for Citi’s CEO Vakram Pandit. Simpson explains that CalPERS is concerned about a lack of transparency and the failure of Citigroup to anchor pay to performance
Some of the larger pension funds can have an impact on boards but not the individual investors. Very difficult to get other than the usual cronies at these companies and the executive compensations are usually passed without incident. Company suceeds they win, company fails they win and get a paid vacation.
This was one of the few where the California Pension Fund took CITIGroup's CEO to task, we need more.
I agree more can be done, but I disagree with the excuse-making. I get proxy forms every year to vote my shares. If I can vote, so can every other pension fund or retirement account shareholder.
I am insulted by the notion that only the stupid should have to learn a trade. I was a tradesman machinist once upon a time and it was not easy to learn. This trade has become ever more intellectually challenging as computer driven machinery has replaced the South Bend lathe and Bridgeport milling machine. In fact none of the trades are for stupid people. Do you know how to use a shovel all day without hurting your self? A trained laborer does.
Fortunately many tradesman have, in most places, strong unions to keep them from the fate of their nonunion brothers. What we need is stronger unions covering and protection more workers from the greed driven destruction wrought by monopoly business and finance. Then we would have a prosperous working class rich enough to provide the college educated future professionals.
Are you saying that potential Democrats are too lazy, unmotivated, or uninterested to obtain i.d.?
No, I'm saying that Republicans are desperate and dishonest enough to play the game of marginal disenfranchisement, trying to create laws that keep people likely to vote against them from ever getting to the polls. ACORN was registering large numbers of these sorts of people. They had to be stopped. By any means necessary, including of course fraudulent videos and outright lying. College students and the elderly poor are also such people. Photo-ID laws impact disproportionately on those groups, and only to diminish the numbers of them that actually end up voting. They are at it again now with the case of Evenwel v Abbott. That would stop counting people when drawing representational districts, counting only people who are registered to vote instead. The effect of that would be to shift power out of and away from urban, minority, and presumably more liberal communities and into rural, white, and presumably more conservative communities. This is just how the Republicans operate. To many, it may seem disgusting and disgraceful, but that's just who they are.
No, I'm saying that Republicans are desperate and dishonest enough to play the game of marginal disenfranchisement, trying to create laws that keep people likely to vote against them from ever getting to the polls. ACORN was registering large numbers of these sorts of people. They had to be stopped. By any means necessary, including of course fraudulent videos and outright lying. College students and the elderly poor are also such people. Photo-ID laws impact disproportionately on those groups, and only to diminish the numbers of them that actually end up voting. They are at it again now with the case of Evenwel v Abbott. That would stop counting people when drawing representational districts, counting only people who are registered to vote instead. The effect of that would be to shift power out of and away from urban, minority, and presumably more liberal communities and into rural, white, and presumably more conservative communities. This is just how the Republicans operate. To many, it may seem disgusting and disgraceful, but that's just who they are.
It is ridiculously easy in this country to obtain a drivers license or photo i.d. I need a photo i.d. to purchase a certain cold medicine I like. If someone is literally so unmotivated that they will not get a photo i.d. they themselves are the ones at fault, not the Republican party.
I am insulted by the notion that only the stupid should have to learn a trade. I was a tradesman machinist once upon a time and it was not easy to learn. This trade has become ever more intellectually challenging as computer driven machinery has replaced the South Bend lathe and Bridgeport milling machine. In fact none of the trades are for stupid people. Do you know how to use a shovel all day without hurting your self? A trained laborer does.
Fortunately many tradesman have, in most places, strong unions to keep them from the fate of their nonunion brothers. What we need is stronger unions covering and protection more workers from the greed driven destruction wrought by monopoly business and finance. Then we would have a prosperous working class rich enough to provide the college educated future professionals.
I meant no offence. My husband is a carpenter by trade and kicks himself regularly for not accepting an apprenticeship under an electrician who offered to train him. Those who learn a trade can make decent money even without a college degree. That was what I was trying to convey.
It has never been debunked because every word of it is flat-out cold hard truth. Money and manpower for border defense and patrols have been ramped up dramatically over what was done by Bush. Simple "returns" -- the "catch and release" program that Bush favored re people being snagged at the border -- are down, partly because of the economy and partly because the chances of success in crossing the border have become lower since Obama, leading fewer to try it. "Removals" meanwhile -- where they actually take your name and create a record that will be flagged by the criminal justice system if you are ever seen here again -- are at all-time highs. Your own source confirms these facts. Did you even bother to read it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by fat lou
Obama also wants to give a "path to citizenship" to 11 million illegal aliens.
LOL! There MAY have been as many as 11 million illegals in the country at the start of 2013 when Obama put forward the subject proposal. There are not now, and of course, nowhere near all illegals would have qualified for it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fat lou
And has recently limited deportations to only include convicted felons and the like.
That part is true. Focus has been put on the actual bad guys. Imagine that!
Quote:
Originally Posted by fat lou
You should have known that, you know.
To this point, there has been nothing that you know more about than I do. That's a trend that I expect to continue for quite some time. Perhaps indefinitely.
Amazing. A whole thread based on a false attribution.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
