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A lot of people seem to be ignoring the real issue here. Terrorism is a result of groups who feel they have no other way to express a view. Yes, terrorism existed before extreme US interventionism, but it's impossible to deny that the problems have become worse, not better, since US involvement in the Middle East.
The way I see it, we have very few viable options. Of these options, I recommend shutting down our borders and completely pulling out of the Middle East. We can still defend our allies, like Israel and Turkey, but we should also want to get them to defend themselves. Another poster said it; ISIS is a result of US foreign policy, granted, they blamed it all on Bush, which isn't really the full story.
It's clear to me that pulling out will cause problems, but staying will make the problems worse. We've created an open sore, and we're letting it festers. We need to stick up this wound; it'll still be ugly, but it is, as far as I can tell, the best option all the same.
France has freedom of speech and democracy.
Some of the terrorists in the recent terrorist events there have been French citizens. They have a say in France, they have a voice in France and chose to read their Quran literally, which advocates violence.
As long as our college students feel safe on their liberal campuses in their "safe space", suppressing free speech in the name of "tolerance", we are all hunky dory. Right?
Liberals don't seem to understand that when the Caliphate takes over, free speech will be no more.
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In America, it's the "liberals" who are tough on terrorism. It was President Obama who successfully nabbed Bin Laden and decimated Al-Qaeda, which ran wild when Dumbya Bush was in office.
Conservatives, meanwhile, want to spend trillions of American taxpayer dollars overthrowing secular dictators (i.e., Saddam Hussein), which de-stabiilizes the Middle East and allows Islamic fundamentalism to run wild. ISIS is the direct result of failed GOP policies in the ME.
And don't take my word for it. Just ask Trump (the current clown leading the GOP freak show). Even he admits it.
Not only this, but we have provided weapons and training to areas of the Middle East for years, firstly under Bush. It's hysterical how dimwitted this forum is. I'm guessing the average age is under 15 and over 70..just a few stragglers in between.
You conservatives keep bringing up this college campus BS, and fail to realize that NOT EVERYONE GIVES A SH1T. Not all realist Progressives care whatsoever about that issue right now. We are sick of people being offended by Starbucks and Campbell soup to care about anything else regarding "offensiveness". Stop using this as your own and only argument. Guess what, I'm a Progressive and I don't care about "safe spaces". Stop with the simple minded Team Red and Team Blue RAH RAH RAH mentality. It sounds desperate, childish and uneducated.
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...said the person who just spent an entire post telling us how "dimwitted and simple minded" conservatives are.
Yes...those who sit there and identify with every single policy Rush Limbaugh does because he is Conservative are dimwitted and simple minded. Same with anyone who blindly follows one side no matter what...like many on this forum do. There are some Conservative principles I have, and a lot of Progressive principles. Again, I guess that is too nuanced to understand....
Yes...those who sit there and identify with every single policy Rush Limbaugh does because he is Conservative are dimwitted and simple minded. Same with anyone who blindly follows one side no matter what...like many on this forum do. There are some Conservative principles I have, and a lot of Progressive principles. Again, I guess that is too nuanced to understand....
So what are those principles?
Conservative and progressive don't exactly go together.
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So what are those principles?
Conservative and progressive don't exactly go together.
You have got to be kidding me. Are you seriously under the impression that one human being can't have a Progressive view on some things and a Conservative view on others? You are proving my point here. The list is way too long and complicated to list in this inane forum, but here are a few examples:
Against invading Iraq and getting involved in 10+ years of war only to destabilize the Middle East
Against supporting Israel or ANY Middle Eastern country
Against regressive Feminism
Against police brutality and over-reaching of government privacy invasion as a whole (Patriot act bs)
I don't believe in "white guilt"
I do believe there is still systematic racism, but it is a complex issue
In favor of stricter gun policy and more intense background tests. It should take as much work to get a gun as it does to get a drivers license. I am against taking away any guns, however.
Increased crack-down on tax breaks corporations receive, and increased taxes on the 1%
Universal healthcare, which will take a while to perfect but is a noble cause
Atheist.
Legalize cannabis. De-fund the DEA.
Reduce military spending. Increase Education and Infrastructure spending.
Make sure our schools are run properly, and teachers are paid well. Make sure religious BS is kept to religion classes. Stop teaching to test for state exams.
Corporations aren't people.
Enforce legal immigration and make it easier to legally become a citizen. Secure the border, but don't spend billions on deporting people like Trump wants.
And on and on and on...you could ask any issue and I have my own educated opinion on it. I probably have a progressive ideology on 70% of issues, but it varies widely. Do you understand nuance yet?
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Yes...those who sit there and identify with every single policy Rush Limbaugh does because he is Conservative are dimwitted and simple minded. Same with anyone who blindly follows one side no matter what...like many on this forum do. There are some Conservative principles I have, and a lot of Progressive principles. Again, I guess that is too nuanced to understand....
Oh I understand it, don't flatter yourself. I just think you are being just as childish and dismissive as you accuse others of being
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