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^^^^ that's the point I wanted somebody to make . thank you sir. Here is the issue . the traditional ways were not beneficial to a segment of our society . people want to protect their interests. In this new society the very people you wish to exclude have used the very things that you used to your benifit to their benifit. Traditional americans are being outworked, out hustled and beaten on the education front. Game over.
"Traditional" translated means: Steeped in the old ways, old fashion, the desire to keep things the way they were (depending on the era they are nostalgic for), resistant to change. I must admit that I struggle with this because I tend to be a traditionalist (especially the older I get). But, there is a universal fact that I have realized (and many before me already knew) - nothing remains for long. To hold on to the old ways is a fool's errand and a venture that cannot be won. We end up compromising on these old ways and before you know it - it is gone. Turn the page in Human Kind's history book. So I try to embrace change, but temper it with common sense. It is the only path forward.
Exactly!
Consider all the absolutely horrible things that were once defended as "tradition!": slavery, homophobia, subjugation of women (including female circumcision ) , witch hunts, hunting endangered species... On and on, there are/were all sorts of horrible practices and beliefs defended vaguely as "tradition/orthodoxy".
Things change, and admittedly not always, but often for the better. Many traditions deserve to fall into antiquity.
Consider all the absolutely horrible things that were once defended as "tradition!": slavery, homophobia, subjugation of women (including female circumcision ) , witch hunts, hunting endangered species... On and on, there are/were all sorts of horrible practices and beliefs defended vaguely as "tradition/orthodoxy".
Things change, and admittedly not always, but often for the better. Many traditions deserve to fall into antiquity.
True indeed. Winston Churchill loved 'tradition' as much as anyone, but even he recognized its limits.
When he was First Lord of the Admiralty, at a meeting with admirals, one admiral objected to some very practical changes Churchill wanted to implement, saying the changes violated the traditions of the Royal Navy, to which Churchill responded rather peevishly: "And what are they? Rum, sodomy and the lash!"
Traditional Americans huh? Reaaaaal Americans.. The ones who owned slaves ? Just who are you talking about? Just be honest and say it.
Wow, it only took 7 posts in before someone referenced slavery. Slavery has been gone from this nation for 150 years. It's 2015, not 1865, so please join us in the present and stop blaming folks alive now that nothing to do with what happened back then and laying blame on us for the sins of folks long dead.
Oh, wah, wah, wah! Effing crybaby. As a middle-aged white male I'm glad our demo is on the decline. I'm an atheist minimalist, so I never identified with bourgeois whites anyway.
People just aren't as stupid as they used to be. More people understand god probably doesn't exist, ethnic minorities aren't enemies, and things are better when society is more egalitarian, including reproductive whites for women.
Yes, the traditional whites are no longer the majority. Good riddance.
Wow, it only took 7 posts in before someone referenced slavery. Slavery has been gone from this nation for 150 years. It's 2015, not 1865, so please join us in the present and stop blaming folks alive now that nothing to do with what happened back then and laying blame on us for the sins of folks long dead.
The Civil War freed the slaves and now they are using that to enslave themselves.
Do you see the irony here ?
No, I'm just tired of whiny white-people, most of whom are better off than other ethnic groups who don't realize how relatively well-off they are. Whites, especially white males, still have higher-incomes and face less discrimination and prejudice than minorities.
Sorry, but white people complaining about how bad they have it is just plain delusional. Yes, some whites are born into poverty, but minorities are far more likely to be underprivileged.
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Wow, it only took 7 posts in before someone referenced slavery. Slavery has been gone from this nation for 150 years. It's 2015, not 1865, so please join us in the present and stop blaming folks alive now that nothing to do with what happened back then and laying blame on us for the sins of folks long dead.
You're missing the point entirely. Slavery was once defended as 'tradition' by slave owners. Same-sex couples were denied full legal equality for the same reason. Just because something is traditional doesn't mean it's defensible. That's all we're arguing.
^^^^ that's the point I wanted somebody to make . thank you sir. Here is the issue . the traditional ways were not beneficial to a segment of our society . people want to protect their interests. In this new society the very people you wish to exclude have used the very things that you used to your benifit to their benifit. Traditional americans are being outworked, out hustled and beaten on the education front. Game over.
Seems to me the old traditional family of mother, father and children was very beneficial in many ways.
I disagree about education though. Traditional students taking science, engineering and math vs women's studies and cannabis cultivation will be able to compete with the foreign students in the global economy.
Consider all the absolutely horrible things that were once defended as "tradition!": slavery, homophobia, subjugation of women (including female circumcision ) , witch hunts, hunting endangered species... On and on, there are/were all sorts of horrible practices and beliefs defended vaguely as "tradition/orthodoxy".
Things change, and admittedly not always, but often for the better. Many traditions deserve to fall into antiquity.
Americans have seemed to have chucked ALL traditions.
Americans have seemed to have chucked ALL traditions.
You mean like Christmas? Oh, wait, yeah, most Americans still recognize that. Halloween? Yup! There are still numerous festivities. Thanksgiving? Another benign holiday that's still widely celebrated. Oh, you mean July 4th! Oh, wait, still plenty of fireworks.
Benign and beneficial traditions are fine. Destructive traditions that perpetuate things like racism, sexism, and homophobia are not. See the difference?
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Seems to me the old traditional family of mother, father and children was very beneficial in many ways.
I disagree about education though. Traditional students taking science, engineering and math vs women's studies and cannabis cultivation will be able to compete with the foreign students in the global economy.
Actually, studies have shown children are better off with a loving and competent same-couple than an absent, inept heterosexual one. The quality of the parents is more relevant than their genders.
I do agree about education: Focusing on math/science related fields is far more practical than fluffy like liberal arts. Cannabis cultivation is fairly practical though.
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) , witch hunts, hunting endangered species... On and on, there are/were all sorts of horrible practices and beliefs defended vaguely as "tradition/orthodoxy".
Slavery has been gone from this nation for 150 years. It's 2015, not 1865, so please join us in the present and stop blaming folks alive now that nothing to do with what happened back then and laying blame on us for the sins of folks long dead.
