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I understand there are logistical issues with the process mentioned to slow Syrian refugees from coming into the U.S. But Obama threatening to veto the bill to me is partially disturbing. IF it isn't clear enough already the terrorist threat to our borders, and the population continually crying out loud about our own countries issues like the homeless and the threat that already exists, Obama continue to be hell bent on being this nice to other countries President.
Am I crazy, or is Obama really that scary?
It's a bill designed to fail. The current vetting process for the refugees takes 2 years and less than 1% of the applicants are accepted, and this bill would require heads of FBI etc get involved in reviewing individual cases, which would make it impossible for any refugee to be allowed in.
It's a bill designed to fail. The current vetting process for the refugees takes 2 years and less than 1% of the applicants are accepted, and this bill would require heads of FBI etc get involved in reviewing individual cases, which would make it impossible for any refugee to be allowed in.
I believe you are correct in that this vote was just to appease the fringe elements in their congressional districts. I would love to see the vote if it did get to the point of requiring a veto override.
They are worried about 10,000 refugees that are already thoroughly vetted while millions come in under Visas, makes no sense, just pandering.
I believe you are correct in that this vote was just to appease the fringe elements in their congressional districts. I would love to see the vote if it did get to the point of requiring a veto override.
They are worried about 10,000 refugees that are already thoroughly vetted while millions come in under Visas, makes no sense, just pandering.
Right. It is far easier to get a tourist, student or work visa than a refugee status if you are from mid-east. Ryan is pretending they are just waved through, but that is simply not the case.
I thought congress voted against it? If he were to veto wouldn't that make it an issue settled in the courts? How much time would that take?
I think given how much of his own party is also opposed he would do well to lose gracefully than to fight. I think he is angling for a political role after his term so I don't imagine he wants to make too many strong enemies. It's probably an empty threat even if he means it.
Right. It is far easier to get a tourist, student or work visa than a refugee status if you are from mid-east. Ryan is pretending they are just waved through, but that is simply not the case.
If one has a passport from one of 38 countries with 30 year old reciprocal visa- free travel, one can enter the US easily for tourism and business, unless on an international " No Fly" List which is as good as the intellegence of the country supplying the information.
The young woman who detonated herself this week in Paris was a French National of Moroccon ancestry. She smoked She drank. She danced in clubs She had sex. She wore western clothes. She took a selfie of herself naked in a bathtub this past June. Yet, in a matter of months she was radicalized and participated in the Paris attack.
Nothing would have prevented her entry into the US. The South Beach international party crowd in Miami would have welcomed this attractive French tourist, with open arms.
I thought congress voted against it? If he were to veto wouldn't that make it an issue settled in the courts? How much time would that take?
I think given how much of his own party is also opposed he would do well to lose gracefully than to fight. I think he is angling for a political role after his term so I don't imagine he wants to make too many strong enemies. It's probably an empty threat even if he means it.
The only "political role" he will be suited for is the mascot for the democrats.
I thought congress voted against it? If he were to veto wouldn't that make it an issue settled in the courts? How much time would that take?
I think given how much of his own party is also opposed he would do well to lose gracefully than to fight. I think he is angling for a political role after his term so I don't imagine he wants to make too many strong enemies. It's probably an empty threat even if he means it.
The House passed the bill with bipartisan votes now it has to go to the Senate but that's where Obama can use his phone and get Harry Reid to block it from coming up for a vote like he's done so many times before.
The issue is too hot so I would be surprised if he would do that but Harry Reid made it clear he stands with the president and will rally Democrats to vote it down so it doesn't get to Obama's desk. Essentially it comes down to how many Democrats are up for vote in 2016. Are they willing to throw their careers down the tubes to stand with Obama.
Reid has already said he will not allow it to come up for a vote.
^^ This.
Do you know how many jobs' bills were passed by the House, never to see the light of day again as the Senate sat on it? Now the Dems controlled the Senate then - not now. So we will see how this shakes out.
People have got to put the pressure on the legislators assigned to them about this - as well as the President, even though he will not listen because he is accountable to other entities.
I think my mistake was saying "congess" instead of just the house. And, if I remember correctly if a bill is passed by the house and the senate and is signed by the president, or his veto is overtuned by 2/3 majority, then it becomes a law. Or something like that..
It doesn't answer my original question but I can see people dont want to entertain it..
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