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Old 12-02-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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Can you give me the numbers for the bills Democrats introduced in the House and Senate to fix Obamacare.

I'm aware of ONE, the medical device tax repeal, that had some Democrat supporters. Of course your hero Harry Reid didn't allow a vote on it so Obama didn't have to veto it.

Face facts Frank - for all the blather about Republicans obstructing on the ACA, the people that passed it haven't done One. Single. Thing. to fix any aspect of any part of the bill.

Why are Democrats obstructing real health care reform Frank?
Corporate welfare at tax payer expense...

The design amounted to a double bailout, with taxpayers on the hook for subsidizing insurance company losses on the back-end as well as for the front-end subsidies and mandates that benefitted insurers.

1. Mandated that everyone buy their product.
2. Subsidies
3. Massively expanded Medicaid, which is largely administered by insurers.
4. Created two back-end bailout programs designed specifically to benefit insurers selling Obamacare plans,

Goody No. 1 was a reinsurance program that reimburses Obamacare plans for most of the expenses run up by people with high annual claims. Funded by a tax on everyone with non-Obamacare coverage, the reinsurance program shoveled nearly $8 billion to Obamacare insurance companies last year.

The second bailout provision was a “risk corridor” program designed to collect payments from insurers who made excess profits–as determined by the federal government–and make payments to insurers with excess losses. If the government didn’t collect enough from profitable insurers to cover the compensatory payments, taxpayers would be stuck with covering the “shortfall.”

Fortunately, Congress rejected this bullying and decided that taxpayers should not be forced to bail out insurers that lost money on Obamacare plans.

how-congress-stopped-the-next-big-obamacare-disaster
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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The Affordable Care Act... this was the big issue that was going to win you guys the 2012 election too... right?

Meanwhile, the guy leading all your polls wants to repeal Obamacare and replace it with... government-provided healthcare.

Trump's Obamacare Replacement Plan Sounds Quite a Bit Like Obamacare - Bloomberg Politics

Yessirree, this issue sounds like just as big a winner for you guys in 2016 as it was in 2012!
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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The Affordable Care Act... this was the big issue that was going to win you guys the 2012 election too... right?

Meanwhile, the guy leading all your polls wants to repeal Obamacare and replace it with... government-provided healthcare.

Trump's Obamacare Replacement Plan Sounds Quite a Bit Like Obamacare - Bloomberg Politics

Yessirree, this issue sounds like just as big a winner for you guys in 2016 as it was in 2012!
It's been a huge winner for the GOP ever since it was passed. Just ask the thousands of federal, state, and local Democrats who were fired or never elected.

And the beauty is that the architects of this disaster, along with their faithful foot soldiers, still are willing to charge over the cliff for it.

Obamalemmings is quite an apt term, no?
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:45 PM
 
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It's been a huge winner for the GOP ever since it was passed. Just ask the thousands of federal, state, and local Democrats who were fired or never elected.

And the beauty is that the architects of this disaster, along with their faithful foot soldiers, still are willing to charge over the cliff for it.

Obamalemmings is quite an apt term, no?
Exhibit B ^
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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As long as the GOP refuses any change that doesn't include getting kicked off your health insurance when you get sick, the ACA is as good as we're gonna get.
The GOP was always willing to include pre-existing conditions are part of the overall healthcare reform they presented. Of course, Pelosi never let any of the plans offered by GOP see the light of day, so the false perception is that the GOP never had any HC reform positions.
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Listen. You can put a party label on me. You can use different label to describe my political philosophy. But underneath all that, I am a human being with a family and we need health insurance--a place to buy health insurance, that is. (Don't need your charity.)


Please act like every decent responsible person ought to be working in bipartisan fashion to get us to a better place.


I don't care who you are or what you are, the government screwed up the health care system and the government has an obligation to mitigate the damage. Yes, the incredible partisan hubris of economically illiterate democrats led to a dysfunctional program, doomed to fail. And yes, some of you will want to argue about my assessment. But it doesn't matter. All we can work with is the future, not the past. The system is broken and we must fix it.
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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^THIS. Seriously folks, come up with a real solution, and you can do a replace and repeal and we will try it, until then the only thing most people hear is "Our new plan is-if you get sick, die fast".
Once again, the GOP had HC reform plans, but Pelosi refused to allow them to come to the House floor for debate. Instead, there was just lies and grandstanding from the likes of Alan Grayson, whom you just quoted. It really is amazing how willing the left is to just believe whatever any Democrat says without lifting the smallest of fingers to investigate and educate themselves. SMH
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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As long as the GOP refuses any change that doesn't include getting kicked off your health insurance when you get sick, the ACA is as good as we're gonna get.
How do people not know that states had high-risk insurance pools BEFORE Obamacare for that very reason?
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Old 12-02-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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I recall GOP plans to convert Medicare to voucher programs. Maybe someone suggested eliminating pre-existing condition underwriting without any mandate, which is impossible. And of course there were all the totally-not-Obamacare plans that, when pressed for details, sounded suspiciously like Obamacare. If someone in the GOP had a better plan than that, somebody should cite it and refresh my memory.
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Old 12-02-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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If you are healthy and previously paid $200/month with $500 deductible and now pay $800/month with a $6000 deductible, you are being hurt. That is $600/month being flushed down the toilet that should be going into your 401K.
Exactly, not to mention you better hope like hell you don't become injured or ill. That $6,000/year deductible is VERY difficult for many to come up with.
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