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...one again, our Manchurian candidate of a president tells us the opposite of what terrorists want.
They want us to have open borders and open our country to muslim refugees.
They want us to be disarmed by the government.
gun control has worked so well for gangs who generate the greatest amount of murders. So why not restrict private ownership in exchange for granting terrorists an exemption?
If you like your guns, you can keep your guns, PERIOD!
Because there is not concrete evidence that they have committed a crime, some of the 9/11 terrorists were on a watch list.
You can't restrict them from flyin gbut allow them to own guns, at least some pepope here are consistent claiming both are unconstitutional.
You cannot restrict them from having guns. You can prevent them from OWNING guns. Huge difference and pretty much renders the entire topic as meaningless.
That's a red herring... Are all the people on the watch list trying to get a gun? Probably not.
And to answer your question, yes, sometimes it's more important to protect people's rights and be a little less safe, than to deny their rights and maybe be more safe.
actually giving up a right only means you gave up that right, it doesnt mean you are more safe in any manner.
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I'm in the camp of conservatives who doesn't like the NSA collecting phone data without a warrant, for example, even if that means we'd have a better chance of stopping an attack.
i agree for domestic data collecting, but for those overseas, they do not have the protections of the US constitution.
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As another example, I think stop-and-frisk policies, are in theory a very good idea and they are proven effective, BUT, they are blatantly unconstitutional and a violation of 4th Amen. rights, so..... we can't do it, even if it's a good idea.
i agree with tat as well. nice idea, but unconstitutional
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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88
Bingo....
Put SOME kind of barrier between the citizens and the government official adding a citizen to the list. Make it so that a panel of judges have to approve the addition. Afford SOME kind of due process, and then we'll talk.
how about this instead, NO unconstitutional watch lists to begin with, that way one does not have to go to court to get back a right that they should never have been denied in the first place. if people are going to be placed on a watch list, then perhaps the government should be required to build a case against that person, run them through the courts with their evidence, get a conviction, and THEN they can put that person on a watch list. but until then, no unconstitutional watch lists.
Reminds me of a bumper sticker we had on our car back in the late 60's....
"If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns."
It doesn't get much easier to understand than that... unless you're a liberal... then I don't know how you'd even breathe with your head so far up your... well, you know.
I got a better idea, how about controlling terrorists instead of guns? Keep them out of the country, or locked up in Gitmo.
That would require an alteration to Brick Obama's agenda, and his Gepetto will simply not allow that to happen.
For the record, your idea is far better than anything that the idiot in the White House has come up with in 7 years. It's impossible to believe that he's dumb enough to think that gun control will deter terrorists, but nothing that comes out of the thin-wristed one's mouth is surprising anymore.
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