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There are several reasons why a gun should be banned, semi-auto, magazine capacity, firing rate, the issue is where you draw the line, not based on just one function.
Let's start with the AR-15, make your case why it should not be banned since that is rather popular in these mass shootings.
It's very simple Goodnight...........
So, setting any and all philosophical, Second Amendment based arguments aside for why the AR15 should not be banned, the very basic crime stats themselves don't even bear out a good argument for banning it. Note that, because there are so few, this data table doesn't even break homicides committed by "assault weapons" like the AR15 down in to their own subset, rather, those are lumped in with all rifles. More people are killed by knives and hammers than rifles of any type for crying out loud! By comparison, look at the crimes committed with handguns vs. those committed with rifles... The majority of "gun murders" in this country are committed with handguns, yet public enemy #1 for the gun control crowd is scary looking rifles which are used in only a fraction on "gun crimes".... How much sense does that make? So if we're going to have a discussion about regulating guns in this country, let's at least have the integrity to discuss the real issue here.
Why shouldn't the AR-15 be banned, what would the function be in the hands of a civilian
To kill people who might threaten our lives, our homes, our property, or our country, Goodnight, it's really that simple and I'm not going to sugar coat it to make it more palatable for the faint of heart. THAT is what the Second Amendment was put in the Constitution for and so THAT is the light that the 2A must be viewed in. THAT is what must inform any policy on gun laws. It's a simple fact. It isn't there so that we can hunt Bambi, or put bugs bunny on the dinner table, or to get a Daffy Duck for Christmas dinner, and frankly I'm tired of people marginalizing our gun rights by pretending that it is.
Don't like it? Think it's radical? Think it's moot in the 21st Century? Great.... Repeal it. Until then, respect it, just like every other law.
Meaning you don't need an AR-15, maybe a single shot rifle would do the trick or are they poor marksmen that they need 20 rounds.
LOLOLOLOL.... This is what makes us all laugh when people who don't really know what they're talking about try to talk guns. For one, hunting hogs can be dangerous. They are vicious animals that travel in packs and will tear you apart. They won't wait for you to reload your single shot rifle.
Also, here's some pretty awesome hog hunting, and a single shot rifle wouldn't work too well for those who hunt hogs from a chopper....
For my part no.. the AR-15 as well as the American version of the AK-47 are extremely effective hunting weapons for feral pigs. (These are considered a rodent here) That plus it is extremely useful in the protection of life and property. I realize you don't have feral pigs in the state of NJ, so ban them there if you like on a state basis, much the same as California has. I have no problem with this. It's your state.
Meaning you don't need an AR-15, maybe a single shot rifle would do the trick or are they poor marksmen that they need 20 rounds.
If you hunted you'd know that many times a quick second shot is the most humane thing to dispatch a wounded animal. I've seen a double lunged Deer run a quarter mile. Most recently I lucked into a complete sounder of wild hogs in a meadow. A mag dump was perfect. A single shot rifle, just stupid. Pigs can run fast.
Just because something Can be done does not mean that it Should be done.
Why enable it to be done in the first place? It would have been much harder for Bush to authorize the invasion of Iraq if Clinton hadn't already authorized the use of the US military to liberate Iraq.
LOLOLOLOL.... This is what makes us all laugh when people who don't really know what they're talking about try to talk guns. For one, hunting hogs can be dangerous. They are vicious animals that travel in packs and will tear you apart. They won't wait for you to reload your single shot rifle.
Also, here's some pretty awesome hog hunting, and a single shot rifle wouldn't work too well for those who hunt hogs from a chopper....
To say nothing of those hunters that get lost in the woods for days and have only a handful of rounds on them, hardly enough either to kill something to be able to survive or fire off distress signals.
So, setting any and all philosophical, Second Amendment based arguments aside for why the AR15 should not be banned, the very basic crime stats themselves don't even bear out a good argument for banning it. Note that, because there are so few, this data table doesn't even break homicides committed by "assault weapons" like the AR15 down in to their own subset, rather, those are lumped in with all rifles. More people are killed by knives and hammers than rifles of any type for crying out loud! By comparison, look at the crimes committed with handguns vs. those committed with rifles... The majority of "gun murders" in this country are committed with handguns, yet public enemy #1 for the gun control crowd is scary looking rifles which are used in only a fraction on "gun crimes".... How much sense does that make? So if we're going to have a discussion about regulating guns in this country, let's at least have the integrity to discuss the real issue here.
Handguns were on the "to be banned" list for decades. Except for some "marginal" changes on acquisition (such as the hoops one must jump through to buy one in some states (some of which also make acquiring a long gun difficult) the anti-gun crowd finally dropped the effort (at least openly. It's still on the final goal list).
So, instead of handguns, the new attempt for bans were now the scary looking ones.
I hope what everyone is taking out of this thread is that the ultimate goal for some, if not most, anti-gunners is a total ban and confiscation. I posted images of several common hunting/sporting long guns earlier, all semi-automatics. When one poster in particular found out they were semi-automatic (actually I had to tell him since he was self-admittedly "unfamiliar" with those particular guns) the "they should be banned" statement came out.
Here's what happened:
For decades the "most dangerous guns" were handguns. Once they became highly regulated then the "most dangerous guns" became the AR type variants.
I can guarantee that when they become constrained the next "most dangerous guns" will be hunting/sporting guns like the Browning Gold or Remington 750 I posted.
Then will come guns like the Browning BPS pump and bolt actions.
Handguns were on the "to be banned" list for decades. Except for some "marginal" changes on acquisition (such as the hoops one must jump through to buy one in some states (some of which also make acquiring a long gun difficult) the anti-gun crowd finally dropped the effort (at least openly. It's still on the final goal list).
So, instead of handguns, the new attempt for bans were now the scary looking ones.
I hope what everyone is taking out of this thread is that the ultimate goal for some, if not most, anti-gunners is a total ban and confiscation. I posted images of several common hunting/sporting long guns earlier, all semi-automatics. When one poster in particular found out they were semi-automatic (actually I had to tell him since he was self-admittedly "unfamiliar" with those particular guns) the "they should be banned" statement came out.
Here's what happened:
For decades the "most dangerous guns" were handguns. Once they became highly regulated then the "most dangerous guns" became the AR type variants.
I can guarantee that when they become constrained the next "most dangerous guns" will be hunting/sporting guns like the Browning Gold or Remington 750 I posted.
Then will come guns like the Browning BPS pump and bolt actions.
Then double guns.
Then Goodnight's single shot.
One small step at a time.
The following quote by gun control advocate Josh Sugarman tells you all you need to know about gun control advocates and their tactics....
"""The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons"""
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