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Old 12-10-2015, 09:51 PM
 
Location: USA
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Your assumption is correct. but the vast majority of Muslims wish me no harm either. The problem is with a minority. Even worse is that the hatred that shows from many can cause the majority of muslims to start thinking that hey....maybe that minority isn't wrong...
That is the Problem with Liberal thinking. Maybe if the Boston Bomber were not shown so much hate they would not have killed all those people. Maybe if the French weren't such Meanies with the cartoons, Islamist would not have killed people at Charlie Hebdo. Violent Islam is raising its ugly head all over the globe, not just the West as Apologists would like you to beleive.

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Old 12-10-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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There are two systems of laws :
Law of the Jungle
Law of Love
. . .
Most religions teach the Law of Love and oppose the Law of the Jungle.

Islam teaches the law of love FOR MUSLIMS ONLY. Kafirs are treated to the law of the jungle, to be preyed upon.
. . .
That distinction makes Islam unacceptable for civilizations based on the law of love.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Although I don't have any close friends that are Muslim, I have worked with and known many Muslims over the years, and have had rather in depth conversations with them about Islam, Christianity, history, politics, etc. They range from highly observant, to Muslim in name only. They are all highly educated, and probably not representative of the majority of people in their countries of birth. I don't have a problem with Muslims like them immigrating to the United States.

However, to extrapolate from a small number of relatively westernized, highly educated Muslims, and simply declare that the vast majority of Muslims are like them is ridiculous. Polls taken in many Muslim countries show wide support for aspects of Sharia law that are repugnant to a free, pluralistic society. I don't think that Muslims that believe those who leave Islam should be executed, that gays and lesbians should be killed, that believe in honor killings of girls and women, and many other beliefs should be allowed in this country. I believe in profiling, not for race or ethnicity, but for belief. Just as I would oppose neo-Nazis, white supremacists or communists to immigrate to this country, I oppose the immigration of Muslims who hold beliefs that are opposed to our system of freedom, liberty, and pluralism.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:56 PM
 
Location: USA
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Although I don't have any close friends that are Muslim, I have worked with and known many Muslims over the years, and have had rather in depth conversations with them about Islam, Christianity, history, politics, etc. They range from highly observant, to Muslim in name only. They are all highly educated, and probably not representative of the majority of people in their countries of birth. I don't have a problem with Muslims like them immigrating to the United States.

However, to extrapolate from a small number of relatively westernized, highly educated Muslims, and simply declare that the vast majority of Muslims are like them is ridiculous. Polls taken in many Muslim countries show wide support for aspects of Sharia law that are repugnant to a free, pluralistic society. I don't think that Muslims that believe those who leave Islam should be executed, that gays and lesbians should be killed, that believe in honor killings of girls and women, and many other beliefs should be allowed in this country. I believe in profiling, not for race or ethnicity, but for belief. Just as I would oppose neo-Nazis, white supremacists or communists to immigrate to this country, I oppose the immigration of Muslims who hold beliefs that are opposed to our system of freedom, liberty, and pluralism.
Well said. I agree.
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Old 12-11-2015, 12:11 AM
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Are the dudes in the mini marts and gas stations Muslims? If so I have an unfavorable view of them. And if they're not I still have an unfavorable view of them.
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Old 12-11-2015, 05:38 AM
 
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Yikes ---this isn't going to help those poll numbers
Another radicalized Muslim knifed four students at UC Merced yesterday. Police had to shoot him to stop him. He had a manifesto on him, but they aren't giving info out and they scrubbed all his social media. His roommate said he was very radicalized and told him he'd kill him if he ever touched his Koran. (That was an update tonight on Fox News)
Knife-wielding Muslim ID’d in campus attack

Do you think he was inspired by the San Bernadino shootings?
Sorry, I got the date wrong on this -- it was in November, so he wasn't inspired by the shooters.
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:38 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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Although I don't have any close friends that are Muslim, I have worked with and known many Muslims over the years, and have had rather in depth conversations with them about Islam, Christianity, history, politics, etc. They range from highly observant, to Muslim in name only. They are all highly educated, and probably not representative of the majority of people in their countries of birth. I don't have a problem with Muslims like them immigrating to the United States.

However, to extrapolate from a small number of relatively westernized, highly educated Muslims, and simply declare that the vast majority of Muslims are like them is ridiculous. Polls taken in many Muslim countries show wide support for aspects of Sharia law that are repugnant to a free, pluralistic society. I don't think that Muslims that believe those who leave Islam should be executed, that gays and lesbians should be killed, that believe in honor killings of girls and women, and many other beliefs should be allowed in this country. I believe in profiling, not for race or ethnicity, but for belief. Just as I would oppose neo-Nazis, white supremacists or communists to immigrate to this country, I oppose the immigration of Muslims who hold beliefs that are opposed to our system of freedom, liberty, and pluralism.
I agree and touched on this earlier up thread, I don't understand how the far left doesn't see this, this sort of thing is what the far left rallies against.

I was watching a youtube clip and it was of a gay man who was Syrian and he escaped out of there and he witnessed ISIS member dangling gay people off of 4 or 5 stories roof, dangled them by the feet and then dropped them. I mean that is just horrific. There are stories and stories like this and the troubling part is is that several polls through out many Muslim countries results show that a large percentage of Muslims don't have a problem with killing gay people.

I mean that is just one story, we haven't even covered the oppression of women and polls show that even "moderate" Muslims don't have issues with things like not letting them drive and not allowing them an education, etc etc.

Religion of peace????

Whatever.
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Which is why I put it in quotations. Nobody is forcing their beliefs on me, but the closest to it are Christian groups.
It's not even all Christians. The only ones who've knocked on my door to try to convert me are the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the 7th Day Adventists.

The others....never seen 'em.
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Old 12-11-2015, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Ironically, as a Christian I have an unfavorable view of you as an athiest. However, I wish you no harm. And I assume you wish me no harm. Therein lies the difference.
EXACTLY!

Here is the thing; Christians are not a threat, so we make a soft target to vent hate on. I don't see artists pissing on a likeness of Mohamed and displaying it as art in New York museums.

Why don't we see much of this iconoclasm against the Muslim faith?

Ask Westergaard, Posten, Van Even, and Hebdo.





Why not? It's because they are afraid and scared (with good reason), so they try to cozy up to these madmen in hopes of a friendly and favorable relationship. Extreme Islamist's, and up to 20% of Muslims, don't do "friendly and favor" at all.
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Old 12-11-2015, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I am as conservative as they come. This crap needs to stop. I have neighbors who are Muslims. I have neighbors who are Jews. And I am Roman Catholic. In the summer, we barbeque together. I watch out for their kids and they do the same for mine.

This is not about Muslims. It is about Radical Muslims, a term our president refuses to uses.

An element of their religion has gone insane. We must stop at nothing to destroy them.

We have seen Muslims be much for vocal against Radical Islam in recent months which is good. I would also like to see them reporting fanatical members of their mosque and imams.

I would stand arm in arm with Muslims to defend their place of Worship and their right to relgious freedom. That is what our country is suppose to be about.
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