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Old 12-14-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
If we tie the hands of those trying to identify terrorists we need to learn to live with the results.
Exactly what Barack Obama has been doing. Those with responsibility for training our security forces have had their materials censored of any mention of Jihad, Islam, Islamic terrorism, etc, etc. Obama bears much of the responsibility for the increase in terrorism, not only around the globe, but right here at home.
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Old 12-14-2015, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Here we go again....wasn't Bush blamed for 9/11. Said it could have been prevented ?

Now you guys are on the same bandwagon with San Bernadino.

No it probably could NOT have been prevented.
Mrs. Farook flew under the radar.
Some people blame the president/ government for everything.

Farooq was radicalized before he sought a bride with similar ideology.

He and his BIL had shared hobbies of tinkering with cars and making pipe bombs.

He had plans to commit terrorism going back to 2011/12, according to his BIL who now claims he did not take it seriously.

He could have acted alone.

He could have executed a plan with the likes of his BIL.

He could have made contacts with other like- minded individuals born and raised in the US, like him.
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Old 12-14-2015, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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"Officials said that because Malik used a pseudonym in her online messages, it is not clear that her support for terror groups would have become known even if the U.S. conducted a full review of her online traffic."

How would the gov't check that? How would they connect you with your C-D pseudonym?
There you go again, interjecting facts.
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Old 12-14-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The same way they found it 1 day after the attack. Isn't it amazing just how easy that was AFTER they committed their terrorist act? If you're vetting a person, you're vetting a person. If it was available to find after the attack, it was available to find BEFORE the attack.
FBI found their smashed cell phones which did not destroy the data beyond the FBI's ability to recover all or some of it.

FBI has spent the past several days looking for the missing hard drive in a local lake.

People use all sorts of screen names to post on Social Media and Internet forums. Many maintain multiple accounts with different screen names/ profiles.

You might be an 82 year old grandma posting from Singapore and I might be a 13 year old boy posting from under my bed covers in Australia.
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Old 12-14-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The same way? By searching the homes of every applicant and their US sponsor and seizing their computers and cell phones?
What about office equipment and phones and Phones/ hard drives stored or used elsewhere?

Farooq was radicalized before he sought a like- minded bride.

Nothing prevented him from actiing alone or with his BIL or someone else.
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Old 12-14-2015, 06:17 PM
 
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Some people blame the president/ government for everything.

Farooq was radicalized before he sought a bride with similar ideology.

He and his BIL had shared hobbies of tinkering with cars and making pipe bombs.

He had plans to commit terrorism going back to 2011/12, according to his BIL who now claims he did not take it seriously.

He could have acted alone.

He could have executed a plan with the likes of his BIL.

He could have made contacts with other like- minded individuals born and raised in the US, like him.
He didn't act alone. There's no reason why Obama or any other prez should ban immigration or security agencies from examining social media of foreign applicants for visas. None.
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Old 12-14-2015, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Exactly what Barack Obama has been doing. Those with responsibility for training our security forces have had their materials censored of any mention of Jihad, Islam, Islamic terrorism, etc, etc. Obama bears much of the responsibility for the increase in terrorism, not only around the globe, but right here at home.
What different training do you receive if the training materials indicate "Radical Islam", what would be the difference in this particular case.


Sometimes no one is to blame in these types of incidents, it's extremely complicated. I'm sure there is someone like this right now, picking them out of a few hundred thousand is not an easy task.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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He didn't act alone. There's no reason why Obama or any other prez should ban immigration or security agencies from examining social media of foreign applicants for visas. None.
Yes there is a reason and if you don't like it let them provide open access to all the NSA database records to all government agencies.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:09 PM
 
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He didn't act alone. There's no reason why Obama or any other prez should ban immigration or security agencies from examining social media of foreign applicants for visas. None.
How much money you want to spend?

Obama has little to do with it. How much money do you want the 9th layer down bureaucrat to spend on each background check? To do the check first thing you need is someone loyal who speaks another languge at the expert level and is expert in the area of plodding through social media. You end up with the super employment act for Arabic speaking Americans. What two days to a week to actually run down everything that might deal with a Particular individual. So a thousand dollars for each visa? Multiply that by the number of tourists.

You can of course simply ban them all. Cheap...and then Disney, NY and Las Vegas takes the hit.

All sounds kind of stupid...
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:12 PM
 
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Lessons learned:
1) Beware of any pending Federal Laws seeking to disarm American citizens that have been 'blocked / stalled' in Congress
2) Beware of local and fed law enforcement agencies conducting active shooter drills (there may be rogue elements involved)
3) Do not work in any building that is used monthly as practice for active shooter exercises
4) Educate yourself on "Disinformation", "Propaganda" and "Psychological Operations"
5) If you do not want to maintain integrity of investigation let crime scene evidence be contaminated under pretense of "been there nothing to see here" and let the vulture media flood the crime scene like the Marx Brothers filling a ship cabin.

San Bernardino echoes other incidents such as:
A) OKC bombing. Watch, A Noble Lie and the cover up of investigation efforts into other participants (John Does #1, #2, Andreas Strassmeier et al)
B) Aurora Colorado Theater shooting - one crazy carrot top looking guy (when witnesses reported more shooters) and the connections of 'carrot top' shooter to DOD neuroscience research.

This has nothing to do with the false construct of left - right politics and is all about control over the population via planned conflict / controversy to make people accept more of a police state and keep most scurrying around like hamsters on wheel. Stop. Step back and think about the 'planned aftermath' once the Federal Investigation took hold and its 'interpretation' in a 24/7 newsfeed as psychological programming.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU
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