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We've had "Black male control". We call it slavery, Jim Crow. It didn't stop Black men from becoming murder victims. All it did was emasculate Black men. Did you know that during slavery, it was illegal for a Black man to legally own a gun? This whole "we need to control the Black male" is as old as this nation itself. I don't buy it for a moment.
I personally don't care why anyone complains. Last I checked, Blacks who obey the law are subjected to those very same gun laws. Guess who gets murdered more than anyone else? Black males? If anyone needs to be able to defend themselves, based on the data, it is Black males, as they are the most likely to BE murder victims. But I don't see that mentioned.
And something else. If you break down the perps who commit murder, I notice this. None of them come from stable, two-parent homes. Most are often illegitimate children born to single mothers. Many don't know who their fathers are. Sounds like years of emasculation have basically done Black men no favor.
So the problem is the irresponsible breeding patterns of young Black women?
So the problem is the irresponsible breeding patterns of young Black women?
Irresponsible, and immoral sexual habits of underclass hood rat types, not the entire Black female population. Combine this with fathers basically being made redundant because of the way welfare was set up. Women have no problem getting section 8, and all kinds of welfare. If a man is late on a child support payment, he could go to jail.
This data, along with the annual FBI Uniform Crime Report, suggests that we don't need more gun control. What we evidently need is more or better black male control.
One of the things that I find most interesting is how long the American public will continue to believe that "we are all the same, only with different skin color" despite virtually all of the empirical evidence suggesting otherwise.
Considering that gun control legislation effectively punishes white people for illegal activities largely committed by black people, I think it is fair of white people to complain.
White people don't complain about black people simply for being black. White people complain about black peoples' actions.
If you feel this is so, what do you suggest we do about the problem?
This data, along with the annual FBI Uniform Crime Report, suggests that we don't need more gun control. What we evidently need is more or better black male control.
One of the things that I find most interesting is how long the American public will continue to believe that "we are all the same, only with different skin color" despite virtually all of the empirical evidence suggesting otherwise.
Considering that gun control legislation effectively punishes white people for illegal activities largely committed by black people, I think it is fair of white people to complain.
White people don't complain about black people simply for being black. White people complain about black peoples' actions.
I don't think that black people have a murder rate ~9 times higher than white people simply because they are black.
For example, the black community has nearly 3/4ths of its children born out of wedlock. The city of Detroit (black majority) has 74% of its children not living with their father.
This is significant, because children in single parent homes are more likely to wind up in prison (ie murder), drop out of HS, suffer from depression, and live in poverty than kids in 2 parent homes --- even if you adjust for race, socio-economic status, and location.
To top it off, black people are more likely to live in inner cities where these troubled youth from single parent homes are more likely to be exposed to such societal-cancers as street gangs.
I don't think that black people have a murder rate ~9 times higher than white people simply because they are black.
For example, the black community has nearly 3/4ths of its children born out of wedlock. The city of Detroit (black majority) has 74% of its children not living with their father.
This is significant, because children in single parent homes are more likely to wind up in prison (ie murder), drop out of HS, suffer from depression, and live in poverty than kids in 2 parent homes --- even if you adjust for race, socio-economic status, and location.
To top it off, black people are more likely to live in inner cities where these troubled youth from single parent homes are more likely to be exposed to such societal-cancers as street gangs.
If you feel this is so, what do you suggest we do about the problem?
Identify exactly what the problem is and address that instead of punishing everyone through draconian gun control policies. Stop pretending that gun crime is a universal problem and acknowledge where and with whom gun crime occurs and where it doesn't. Gun control legislation has historically been akin to the teacher that punishes the whole class for the misbehavior of one or two kids. We need to be more honest with ourselves as a country as to where the problem actually is.
By the way, I agree with you 100% about how the lack of a father figure contributes to this problem. But even that is a politically touchy subject. If we can't even agree as a society on something as basic as the fact that its ideal for kids to have a mother and father in their lives, then we might as well give up now because nothing will ever improve.
Identify exactly what the problem is and address that instead of punishing everyone through draconian gun control policies. Stop pretending that gun crime is a universal problem and acknowledge where and with whom gun crime occurs and where it doesn't. Gun control legislation has historically been akin to the teacher that punishes the whole class for the misbehavior of one or two kids. We need to be more honest with ourselves as a country as to where the problem actually is.
By the way, I agree with you 100% about how the lack of a father figure contributes to this problem. But even that is a politically touchy subject. If we can't even agree as a society on something as basic as the fact that its ideal for kids to have a mother and father in their lives, then we might as well give up now because nothing will ever improve.
We also need to understand who the majority of the victims are. Draconian gun policies haven't stopped Black men from getting killed. If anything, Black men need to defend themselves the most. We also have to understand the main factor in the Black individuals who commit murder. Punishing the entire Black male population for 5,000-6,000 murderers is not fair either.
Getting tough of crime has not stopped Black men from dying via murder. I've said that alot of laws don't address the collapse of families. This has been taking place going back to WWII. Moynihan pointed this out.
I've mentioned this before, but I have to point this out. Going all the way back to the early days of the USA, there were always laws to trying and "control Black males". Some laws forbade Blacks to have certain substances, like certain kinds of medicine. Some laws forbade Blacks to carry any kind of weapon. Forbidding Blacks from having weapons just made them fall prey to violence that might befall them. Basically, since slavery there has been an effort to emasculate Black men. This is in history. The idea being that a Black man has to be "the gentle giant". Strong enough to do the harshest menial labor, but docile and quiet.
I think about this. I can find videos of Black female acting very violently, and little is done about it. And yet, most of the stories of Blacks who get killed because someone feared for their lives, it's mostly men. Yes, there are cases of Black females getting killed. However, on the occasion a man behaves like that, the reaction is more violent.
My point? Like you said, we need fathers in the homes. Fathers being made redundant is the smaller part of emasculation. Black men have been subjected to it longer though.
Why do you think black people are 9 times more likely to commit murder than white-non-Hispanics?
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Children who grow up with only one of their biological parents (nearly always the mother) are disadvantaged across a broad array of outcomes. As shown in figure 1, they are twice as likely to drop out of high school, 2.5 times as likely to become teen mothers, and 1.4 times as likely to be idle -- out of school and out of work -- as children who grow up with both parents. Children in one-parent families also have lower grade point averages, lower college aspirations, and poorer attendance records. As adults, they have higher rates of divorce. These patterns persist even after adjusting for differences in race, parents' education, number of siblings, and residential location.
If you want less gun murders, give long sentences to those who commit murders with guns.
Hanging in a public square, was way more of a deterrent than life in prison, with a parole review in 10 years.
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