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Old 12-29-2015, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Can I just point out that plenty of Christians couldn't care less who they're baking cakes for -- a sale is a sale. Some Christian sects are fine with homosexuality and others are dead against it. There's no such variation in Islam -- alcohol is not allowed for anyone, period dot.
Yes but the bakers made a mountain out of a mole hill, I mean it's just a cake for crying out loud bake it and move on, but no they needed to make a federal case out of this. Just a business sells a product to someone doesn't mean they are affirming their beliefs.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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Exactly. Buy a cake off the shelf, you're good to go. Try to order a cake for which services aren't provided? No go. If the baker refers the client to another business which offers the product/services the client wishes to purchase, that should be the end of it. Reasonable accommodation has been made.
They are business owners, reasonable accomodation only applies to employees not to patrons, besides people usually custom order cakes for weddings.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A bakery provides wedding cakes, they should provide the wedding cakes to everyone period or not provide wedding cakes to anyone.
Oh, please. You've proffered a ridiculous argument.

A shoe store sells shoes, they should provide shoes in sizes for everyone? No. Simply doesn't happen.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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They are business owners, reasonable accomodation only applies to employees
Exactly. A self-employed business owner IS an employee of the business.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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Indeed. I have tax returns from years of self-employment where I paid fica and ss for both the company and my portion as an employee of said company. Someone does not understand business, small business incorporation, nor the tax code.

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Exactly. A self-employed business owner IS an employee of the business.
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Oh, please. You've proffered a ridiculous argument.

A shoe store sells shoes, they should provide shoes in sizes for everyone? No. Simply doesn't happen.
If a specific item is carried a business can't discrminate on who they sell that item to, if that item isn't carried then they don't have to.
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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If a specific item is carried a business can't discrminate on who they sell that item to
We've all agreed to that. Buy a cake off the shelf.
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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If a specific item is carried a business can't discriminate on who they sell that item to, if that item isn't carried then they don't have to.
Exactly. Custom-ordered goods/services aren't "carried."
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Old 12-29-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Yes but the bakers made a mountain out of a mole hill, I mean it's just a cake for crying out loud bake it and move on, but no they needed to make a federal case out of this. Just a business sells a product to someone doesn't mean they are affirming their beliefs.
And gay couples could simply just go do their business elsewhere instead of making a federal case out of it.
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Old 12-29-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Exactly. A self-employed business owner IS an employee of the business.
That is not what I said, an owner is not an employee he can't ask himself for reasonable accomodation.
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