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Old 01-12-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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you missed the mark there

carter killed the unions more than reagan did...and they have been on the DECLINE sine the truman era


Unions have never represented a majority of the American workforce. However, to listen to today’s union bosses, one might be led to believe that they did. Ever since their peak, in 1945, when unions represented a total of 35.5 percent of the workforce unions in the private-sector have been on an almost steady decline.
Unions had a purpose then, they lost that purpose about 30 years ago. Judging by the direction of the average American family and the new normal we are realizing they may have a purpose once again. But our current political structure doesn't actually represent the average American. One gives lip service to one group, one gives lip service to the other. If they can find a work around and receive a majority, what we will see is two parties with the exact same donor pool as the DNC will have to find new funding.

Does that not frighten anybody? As if they weren't that much different already, now they won't have that funding distinction.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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you missed the mark there carter killed the unions more than reagan did...and they have been on the DECLINE sine the truman era Unions have never represented a majority of the American workforce. However, to listen to today’s union bosses, one might be led to believe that they did. Ever since their peak, in 1945, when unions represented a total of 35.5 percent of the workforce unions in the private-sector have been on an almost steady decline.
Shame on you, if you are going to do a copy/paste from another website you need to attribute it. You ripped that from an anti-union website
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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And what we currently refer to as the democrat party. When democrats lose the United States wins.
Really now? How did this country "win" with Reagan, or the Bushes? All disasters, apparently an avid Faux news Watcher....
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Really now? How did this country "win" with Reagan, or the Bushes? All disasters, apparently an avid Faux news Watcher....
What exactly does that have to do with what I said? Don't be stupid Tom, I'm not an avid watcher of anything.
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Jumping for joy because workers are fixing to be dealt a death blow to fight for better wages,healthcare,safety etc....wow...one sick being. Unions collapse it will be the death of this country. I shudder to think about what happens with us being able to unionize and fight back against huge conglomerates.

Only government employee, can be dealt a death blow to fight for better wages,healthcare,safety.
Government would never do that to their people, even when forced. They will fleece the people to pay for their harm.
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Only government employee, can be dealt a death blow to fight for better wages,healthcare,safety. Government would never do that to their people, even when forced. They will fleece the people to pay for their harm.
And the proof of that is....
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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These are government employees, and IMO we should not allow gov't unions.


In the private sector, you do not get to vote out mgmt. across the negotiating table. A key difference.
Ever hear the phrase "terms and conditions of employment"? That is what public unions can do, work to ensure safe work environments, equitable treatment of employees, fairness, balance the scale between labor and management in negotiations. ALL employees should be able to fight for protections that they cannot achieve as individuals, and unions help provide that.

You are incorrect if you believe that public employees (union or not) have any ability at all to "vote out mgmt". What does that even mean?
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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And the proof of that is....

Proof that government will take care of their employees regardless if they are union or not?
Public's perception of government would go lower than it already is, if they treated government employees badly.
Unions are created because of bad employers. I can only come to the conclusion, the governments fit in this category, because the employees have a union. Why would they need it? If not just for the revenue?
Is government, or has government ever treated its employees badly for paid service to the communities, States they serve?
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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What is the consensus on unions having to represent non-members?


If the decision goes against unions (which I believe it will) then those same unions should not have to offer representation or allow non-members the benefits negotiated.
They usually dont.
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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The worst of the worst already work for the government in most cases.
Really? and how do you know this? That is a pretty blanket type of statement, so it is pretty much not correct. Where do the best of the best work, then?
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