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Old 01-16-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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That is flawed then because that isn't on the tax payer to help fund.
That misses the point. Taxpayers will be forced to pay government pensions no matter what. But individually owned retirement accounts which make up 2/3 of that $27 Trillion in retirement investments can crash to zero value and no one steps in to make up for the loss.
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Old 01-16-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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That misses the point.
No it doesn't.
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Old 01-16-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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That misses the point. Taxpayers will be forced to pay government pensions no matter what. But individually owned retirement accounts which make up 2/3 of that $27 Trillion in retirement investments can crash to zero value and no one steps in to make up for the loss.
Pknopp is right it doesn't. Saying the public funds 27 trillion in pensions when including IRAS and Roths is wrong. It is dishonest. By it being two thirds, that makes your effective number really 8.33 trillion with another 18.67 trillion tied into individual auts including Rothschild and IRAs. Using the 27 trillion is a strawman. Don't get me wrong, 8.3 trillion is still huge but not 27 trillion huge.
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Old 01-17-2016, 06:06 AM
 
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No it doesn't.
Yes, it does. Taxpayers pick up the tab for underfunded public employee pensions. No one picks up the tab when private sector retirement accounts lose asset value.
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Old 01-17-2016, 06:08 AM
 
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Pknopp is right it doesn't. Saying the public funds 27 trillion in pensions when including IRAS and Roths is wrong.
Are you suggesting private sector employees aren't funding their own retirement accounts? Of course they are.
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Old 01-17-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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Yes, it does. Taxpayers pick up the tab for underfunded public employee pensions. No one picks up the tab when private sector retirement accounts lose asset value.
All pensions are not the same as has been pointed out.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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All pensions are not the same as has been pointed out.
That's what I'm saying. Taxpayers pick up the tab for underfunded public employee pensions. NO ONE picks up the tab when the private sector's retirement accounts, pensions, etc., lose asset value.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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That's what I'm saying. Taxpayers pick up the tab for underfunded public employee pensions. NO ONE picks up the tab when the private sector's retirement accounts, pensions, etc., lose asset value.
Not all public employee pensions are the same but you lumped them all in as one.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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Not all public employee pensions are the same but you lumped them all in as one.
So many of them wouldn't be categorized as underfunded if they weren't defined benefit plans.

Where Do Taxpayers Have the Highest Total Unfunded Pension Liability?
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