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Why are you excluding firearm suicides? Is it because a white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns. They are still dying by use of firearm. America’s pattern of gun deaths is split across black and white, with the vast majority of whites dying from suicide and a similar proportion of blacks dying from homicide. A similar split occurs with more homicide in diverse urban cities and more suicide in the rural areas that are predominantly white. You can try to deny it all want do the numbers do not lie.
Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for white males between the ages of 10 - 34. It is the 3rd leading cause of death for white males between the ages 35 to 44. It is the 4th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 45 to 54. It is the 7th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 55 to 64. Here is the CDC chart as my proof:
Why are you excluding firearm suicides? Is it because a white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns. They are still dying by use of firearm. America’s pattern of gun deaths is split across black and white, with the vast majority of whites dying from suicide and a similar proportion of blacks dying from homicide. A similar split occurs with more homicide in diverse urban cities and more suicide in the rural areas that are predominantly white. You can try to deny it all want do the numbers do not lie.
Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for white males between the ages of 10 - 34. It is the 3rd leading cause of death for white males between the ages 35 to 44. It is the 4th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 45 to 54. It is the 7th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 55 to 64. Here is the CDC chart as my proof:
The only difference between the two groups when it comes to gun deaths is blacks kill each other whereas whites kill themselves.
To quote Archie Bunker, "Would you rather they jumped out of windows?!"
Firearm availability does not show causation for suicides. See this again shows why most anti-gun people cannot have a rational discussion. We need to add in nonsense statistics, make up bogus media-centric words and phrases ("Assault Rifle" and "Common Sense Gun Laws"), and push for stuff which even the ATF/FBI/DOJ and every other alphabet agency has said won't work.
When we talk about firearms we talk about CRIMINAL HARM. Either intentional or unintentional. If you were that worried about suicide you wouldn't be espousing gun control you would be advocating for more mental health checks. When was the last time your president stood behind the podium saying how we need to have an open and honest discussion about suicide rates of white males? ZERO. Probably the same as you.
And your numbers are STILL OFF:
~30,000 gun-related deaths.
~20,000 are suicides.
~1,500 are accidental.
~8,500 are homicides.
So their is no way they are used 5x more often in suicide. That would mean that roughly 40,000 white men are knocking themselves off with a gun.
I deny nothing. I just reach for the truth without trying to conform numbers to fit my prerogative.
Why are you excluding firearm suicides? Is it because a white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns. They are still dying by use of firearm. America’s pattern of gun deaths is split across black and white, with the vast majority of whites dying from suicide and a similar proportion of blacks dying from homicide. A similar split occurs with more homicide in diverse urban cities and more suicide in the rural areas that are predominantly white. You can try to deny it all want do the numbers do not lie.
Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for white males between the ages of 10 - 34. It is the 3rd leading cause of death for white males between the ages 35 to 44. It is the 4th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 45 to 54. It is the 7th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 55 to 64. Here is the CDC chart as my proof:
The only difference between the two groups when it comes to gun deaths is blacks kill each other whereas whites kill themselves.
Can you describe a theater of war where the soldiers would all shoot themselves in battle?
Comparing soldiers getting shot by others to those struggling with depression is wildly different. Not even in the same ballpark. Suicide is a very real topic, but hardly related to gun violence.
Hence it should be excluded if we want to stay on topic.
Shooting yourself is not a crime, if not in a public space, versus maliciously or accidentally shooting someone else.
Why should I care if someone wants to off themselves as long as no bodily or property damage occurs to someone else.
Arnt Liberals like you in favor of assisted suicide?
The topic is about firearm related deaths in America. You want to make it about firearm homicides but that's not what the initial topic is about. Why can't we talk about white men killing themselves? I didn't realize that discussion was taboo.
To quote Archie Bunker, "Would you rather they jumped out of windows?!"
Firearm availability does not show causation for suicides. See this again shows why most anti-gun people cannot have a rational discussion. We need to add in nonsense statistics, make up bogus media-centric words and phrases ("Assault Rifle" and "Common Sense Gun Laws"), and push for stuff which even the ATF/FBI/DOJ and every other alphabet agency has said won't work.
When we talk about firearms we talk about CRIMINAL HARM. Either intentional or unintentional. If you were that worried about suicide you wouldn't be espousing gun control you would be advocating for more mental health checks. When was the last time your president stood behind the podium saying how we need to have an open and honest discussion about suicide rates of white males? ZERO. Probably the same as you.
And your numbers are STILL OFF:
~30,000 gun-related deaths.
~20,000 are suicides.
~1,500 are accidental.
~8,500 are homicides.
So their is no way they are used 5x more often in suicide. That would mean that roughly 40,000 white men are knocking themselves off with a gun.
I deny nothing. I just reach for the truth without trying to conform numbers to fit my prerogative.
Dang ... it is ok to talk about black deaths but white deaths is off limits. In 2013 there were 41,149 suicides. 41,149 suicides is double the number you are citing. Those are the latest suicides numbers. Seventy percent of suicides are committed by WHITE MALES. Black male by large don't kill themselves. They might kill each other but not themselves. Btw, there is nothing noble in killing yourself. How about providing some attribution to support your argument. Here is my proof:
Can you describe a theater of war where the soldiers would all shoot themselves in battle?
Comparing soldiers getting shot by others to those struggling with depression is wildly different. Not even in the same ballpark. Suicide is a very real topic, but hardly related to gun violence.
Hence it should be excluded if we want to stay on topic.
Once again the topic is about gun related deaths not war and not crime. MOST WHITE MEN COMMITT SUICIDE BY FIREARM. Stop trying to deny it, justify it or even worst explain it away. There needs to be a national discussion addressing this topic.
Once again the topic is about gun related deaths not war and not crime. MOST WHITE MEN COMMITT SUICIDE BY FIREARM. Stop trying to deny it, justify it or even worst explain it away. There needs to be a national discussion addressing this topic.
It's completely irrelevant. Someone determined to kill themselves knows how effective a firearm is. Same goes for people that jump in front of freight trains.
We don't see people calling for "common sense train laws".
People in Japan far out-suicide us, and they don't have people calling for "common sense rope laws".
The national discussion you are referring to is depression, not what determined depressed people select for suicide.
Once again the topic is about gun related deaths not war and not crime.
Gun related deaths amount to at most from all causes 30,000 people per year. It's not interesting. More people die of diabetes a year than guns, and flu. More people die from road accidents than guns, more people die of alcohol and alcohol related diseases than guns. It's not interesting statistically, and not important in comparison to other more significantly damaging pursuits. Homicide is far more interesting because the impacts of homicide (and causes leading to homicide) are far further ranging.
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MOST WHITE MEN COMMITT SUICIDE BY FIREARM.
No they don't suicide is not the top cause of death in men, it amounts to 2.6% of white male deaths, therefore 97.4% die from other causes. Most white men die from causes other than suicide.
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Originally Posted by Dyadic
Stop trying to deny it, justify it or even worst explain it away. There needs to be a national discussion addressing this topic.
Who's denying anything, what is being discussed is picking the fly poop out of the pepper as far as saving people's lives. As far as impacts to society homicides have a far greater impact.
Most white men die from causes other than suicide.
By the same token most black men die from other causes as well.
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Homicide is far more interesting because the impacts of homicide (and causes leading to homicide) are far further ranging.
Suicide impact is just as great. Death regardless of circumstances is tragic especially for the love ones left behind. I wouldn't say one has a greater or lesser impact than the other.
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As far as impacts to society homicides have a far greater impact.
I have to respectfully disagree. There are far more suicides in this country than homicides. That fact alone tells me that suicides will have a far great impact on family and loves ones because far more people are being effected.
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