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You can have your reasons for voting for Bernie, but anti-establishment can't be one of them. Lifelong, career politicians stand for everything that is anti-establishment. Trump is the only viableanti-establishment candidate there is.
How does he reconcile his Obamacare vote while simultaneously lamenting the 30 million people that are still uninsured?
A principled ideologue would have voted 'nay" since the law didn't go far enough for his taste. Bernie Sanders was a crucial vote for Democrats when a crucial vote was needed. That makes him not-so-principled afterall.
Bernie has always supported universal healthcare. As far as I know, he does think Obamacare was a good thing. He does believe it should have gone farther, but that doesn't mean he opposed the principle of what it does. Which is provide health insurance.
Yeah, you're right, he does think it didn't go far enough, but he also sees it as an improvement to what we had before. Which is consistent with his principles.
For example, I think all of our wars in the Middle East were a scam and abuses us and the solider who fight them so the corrupt politicians on Washington make the real owners of the country happy. I believe we should leave the Middle East. Now, Obama pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but left special forced and continues to use (technically illegal) drones to take out targets. Now, I do think we should have pulled the troops our and I also think we should get out all together, which we have not done. The thing is, I'd still consider what happened to be better than just staying. Is that inconsistent with my principles, that the wars are a massive scheme and should be ended?
Compromise is not sacrificing principles. It's having integrity. Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist. The 'Democratic' part implies he must respect the democratic system, which means making compromises and self sacrifice for the greater good.
Maybe because he doesn't follow the established party line, thinks for himself and votes with the interests of his constituents instead of being under the influence of lobbyists.
Also because he has been saying the same stuff pretty much for years and doesn't flip flop with the changing seasons.
I'm not a liberal so I am just throwing ideas out there.
There are things I disagree with the liberals about but I think he is a good man.
I cannot say that I support any candidate of either party in this year's elections so far.
At the bottom of Sanders' coalition (as well as at the bottom of the Democratic, and any left-of-center political party) are a collection of naïve overgrown children who have little or no concept of economics. To them, "da peoples' money" was all "stolen" by "rich Republicans", and is hidden away in a vault at some exclusive country club -- somewhere.
These bozos will always be with us, but anyone who doesn't understand that Bernard Sanders knows as well as any of us that continued progress depends upon wise management of the nation's capital, rather than "redistributing" it to the lawsuit-and-lottery-ticket crowd, is only fooling himself. Sanders simply wants to torn it over to a different clique of influence-peddlers.
We can do better by allowing those among us engaged in productive private-sector work to keep more of what they earn.
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With many saying status quo has America in the crapper then an anti establishment candidate is whats needed if major change is the objective, the only two candidates i see that can effect this change is Trump and Sanders all the rest of the candidates are just mouthing the same old rhetoric that will assure very little will change if elected.
You can have your reasons for voting for Bernie, but anti-establishment can't be one of them. Lifelong, career politicians stand for everything that is anti-establishment. Trump is the only viableanti-establishment candidate there is.
If one accepts that the political machine and the money machine are both part of The Establishment, then neither are completely anti-Establishment. Both are intertwined in a circle. A person truly operating against the Establishment would have to be from outside the typical groups that comprise it.
They like him for lots of reasons including him being one of the farthest to the left to ever run for POTUS. He'll easy win the sympathy vote.
Also for those who don't know when Bernie raises all the taxes, he's going to make all of our upper-class and corporations, and and start-up business' leave the country...to avoid the 50% tax rate.
He also wants to decriminalize drugs...legalize marijuana completely, and release all inmates with drug related sentences.
Still want to vote for him??
Oh yeah, he wants to remove God and all mentions of God from our currency and national monuements.
AND....shut down Guantanamo Bay....releasing the prisoners
He ALSO wants to stop using torture methods...All of them, and let proven terrorists have a "fair" trial.
Yeah, ummmm, why would you vote for someone like that.
Most of this sounds pretty good actually especially subtracting the hyperbole.
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You can have your reasons for voting for Bernie, but anti-establishment can't be one of them. Lifelong, career politicians stand for everything that is anti-establishment. Trump is the only viableanti-establishment candidate there is.
Trump is every bit as establishment as any other candidate. Although he may be a buyer rather than a seller he's still part of that special interest $$$ buying influence establishment. That he may claim he isn't part of that establishment is a smoke screen, nothing else. The only difference should he get elected would be the elimination of the middleman.
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