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Old 02-10-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You clearly need to brush up on the way things work here in the US.

Please elaborate.

Enlighten me.

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Hint: there are 3 branches of government. For a reason.
You mean like how the executive branch can get things done when a do-nothing congress obstructs.

You know, executive orders.

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Old 02-10-2016, 05:52 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The Republican leadership has had only one goal for the last 7 years,
"to make Obama a one term President".
What would you expect when you are faced with a new President who has vowed to "fundamentally transform the United States of America?" [Obama's words]
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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What would you expect when you are faced with a new President who has vowed to "fundamentally transform the United States of America?" [Obama's words]
If any of the Republican had any decency of regard for ALL AMERICANS, they would have been long ago in favor of Transforming America.
If Republican's think it will remain the once upon a time white ruled and dominated Nation, then they are sadly mistaken, which is what they are truly sore about, but don't have the guts to say it.

American spent 100's of years crafting disenfranchisement policies, games and regulatory garbage to keep minorities out of the economic uplift loop, to keep women out of the economic uplift loop and to make sure that poor whites remain in the poor whites circle and don't try to climb into the pen with the wealthy whites.

Yep, Obama is right to try and change that draconian madness of the Antebellum Ideological Design.

Right wing withes have been angry since the inauguration of a black man as President, because it cracks their bubble of thinking themselves superior and they have been on a single spill, of " trying to claim him unqualified, and any other things they can try and cling to to feed their delusions of white superiority and white dominance, and anything that shows them that such ignorance is ignorance, they will fight against it. these are the same mentalities who presided in the streets with vile and violence fighting against the basic simplicity of "equal rights under the law", they did not want minorities and women to have equal rights with the idea of white men, heck they did not what poor white men to have equal rights with the well to do white men. They get as angry at dire poor whites trying to frequent establishment that wealthy white men go to, to a degree close to what anguish them to see a black person frequent such establishments.

The trick of madness is many poor whites follow republicans, based on the same thing MLK said decades ago, that these poor whites have been fed the delusion that even though they are broke and struggling, and their kids downtrodden, they were told that their white skin makes them more than blacks, even when their kids are starving and their are denied access to the top shelf jobs and everything else that is denied to them of which the well to do whites have reserved exclusively for themselves, but they can't see it, because they have a delusion that being white will get them access. When fact is, the wealthy whites have never wanted to mingle or associate with the poor whites. they call them, "white trash", and still there are many poor whites being made into puppets to support a Right Wing that see them as nothing more than pawns to use to push bigotry and racism madness in the streets, and during the conflict the well to do whites profit while the chaos rages and when it said and done, the poor whites are still considered as the poor whites.
Big corp busted up anything and everything they could think of that would be an avenue for poor whites to move up the economic ladder, but the real aim was to also make sure that minorities did not move and, to guarantee that women could not move up. This is what makes it so crazy that so many poor and working poor whites support a Right Wing, that has used them, and continue to use them through their own ignorance of understanding they are being used.

This spill about public service, if it is cuts, that means 4-7 times more whites will suffer than the whole number of blacks who use this benefit and service. But the poor whites can't see it, because they have been drilled with the madness of focusing on trying to deny access to minorities, without knowing they stick a knife in their own foot every time they try to follow the groomed script, because they don't grasp the fact they are in the same low regard group, which is called "the poor" ... for those who don't understand. The Poor = women in general, dire poor whites, working poor whites, minorities !!!!!

Cut medicare and mess with ACA and mess with social security and see just how many whites people become devastated, many have already been ripped clean with the way pensions have been destroyed or turn over to pension guarantee companies, and then they get hit with having their once upon a time medical coverage for life to be hit with Co-pays that suck up a big % of their small pension. STILL THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND. This is the kind of stuff that racism and bigotry and bias blinds people from seeing, and they get hung up thinking their skin color has given them an uplift, while they are continually stripped and ripped by the same aims and games that are set in motion to try and deny something to minorities.
They can't grasp they are thought of as nothing more than the 'service class" the same as well to do whites have always considered blacks as members of the service class.
If being white was going to be what you think it to be, there would be no poor whites after 500 yrs of America, but nothing has changed since the days of slavery and indenture, except slavey is now made the responsibility of the individual who is enslaved within the service class of and by minimum wage, which is NO MORE THAN WHAT IT COST TO HOUSE AND FEED A SLAVE IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS AND WITH NO ABILITY FOR UPWARD ECONOMIC GROWTH.
The same MINIMUM WAGE IS STILL NO MORE THAN WHAT AN INDENTURED Servant WOULD GET TO PAY FOR HIS OWN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING AND SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS and to almost provide for his children.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!!

This is so very hard for so many working poor and poor whites to see, because it burst their bubble of thinking that being white gives them a delusion of being better than minorities. They fought the civil rights, because they did not wants minorities to feel, think or be equal in the eyes of the laws of the land. While they were blinded by such hatred of the concept of Civil Rights, they could not see their lot and position in society was stagnated and relegated to nothing more than a indentured servant or a technician servant to provide services to ensure the wealth and well to do, would not have to do their own manual labors. They let a few pass by the line to keep the delusion going, but that was and is a measured factor still to this day.
Look around, what do you have other than a mortgage that it takes now 30-40 yrs to pay, a car that you now get to pay 5-7 yrs of payments to drive, and your kids get strapped with education debt in the 10's of thousand for claims about jobs that don't exist.
There is and has never been a reason one can pay for a deprecating asset such a car in 5-7 yrs, but it takes 30 yrs to pay the same 40-50-60-100k for a house. It makes about as much sense as nothing, but people buy the game and the game continues, guaranteeing that you will not get beyond being of and a member of the service class.
When equity was elevated, they suckered people to borrow, and now they ended up many upside down in a home they once thought they could own. When you pay for 30-40 yrs, you get what? maybe the chance to almost pay for being in a nursing home or assisted care takes all your social security, and anything else you have and if you have anything, then you can't get medical assistance to pay for the assistance with declining health, so all your saving goes to the medical services community.
If poor whites understood, they run from the Republican Party with the speed of lightening, and they'd understand the policies of the Democrats who have a platform to aspire to focus on people above industry.
They'd wake up and understand the indenturing programming that the Republican System is bound to, in their aim to support industry and the wealthy far and above the common people, who is made up of poor whites, working poor whites, minorities and women.

Republican nearly crashed the whole nation and got many poor whites and working poor whites and minorities kids killed in the wars, homeless, jobless and still people blindly support a Republican system designed to contain them as members of the service class. It is insane!!!!!! and it does what insanity does, is repeat the same thing and expect a different result.

So, yes, thank goodness President Obama had and has the strength of dignity, character and humane concern to work toward aims to fundamentally change America and make it a place where opportunity is open to all and a level playing field is available that ALL may have opportunity.

When Republican heard that, they went nuts!!!!!! How dare a black man, want to change and wipe out the indenturing programming the Republican have spent their life working to sustain and promote. Heck, they feel the same way Antebellum Southerners felt when the acts were engaged to end slavery. They were furious!!!! how dare take a way slaves and force the slave owners to pay for labor or get off their ass and do the work themselves. How dare to make laws that won't allow the beating of others to force them to free labor, to provide free sex, and to create new babies they can turn into future slaves, or white men could impregnate the women and never have to care for the kids he impregnated the women with, How dare someone pursue an end of slavery and take these pleasures and greed and abuse games away from the wealthy white men. many fought their own brother and cousins in the Civil War trying to retain slavery.... so you can best believe today, they do not want any equality and to be without indentured servants and the service class they have used abused, and relied upon to give them the satisfactions of and from their vices.
Now in the 21st Century here is a black man, who wants to take away the last remnants of a Antebellum structure and usher in a new model of "EQUALITY AND OPPORTUNITY OF ECONOMIC EQUILIBRIUM TO AND FOR ALL, and how dare him want to have a program to stop Insurance companies from taking peoples money then denying them service coverage, and how dare him challenge the money making game of Insurance and Medicine, which the former slavers saw as their new model to guarantee themselves and ongoing robbery system that could get money from everyone and give as little as possible for it. How dare him to try and get banks to lend fair, be fair and stop gambling and destroying peoples lives with insane interest rates, and how dare he challenge Wall Street and ask them to stop destroying companies and chasing avarice through their greed and leaving cities decimated by the industrial losses.
How dare he to not continue the war games and weapons selling proliferation where weapon sellers can continue to make a fortune and the sons and daughters of poor people can get wounded and killed, while Republican congressional policies make it difficult for them to get care, treatment or compensation for their injuries and losses of body part usages.

HOW DARE HE TO PROPOSE A BUDGET THAT CONTAINS PROVISIONS TO HELP AMERICAN CITIES AND AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO REBUILD OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. How dare he propose such things, when Republicans have not got all their money drainers, earmarks and their crews of block and tackle players all in place yet, to ensure nothing gets done. Is he crazy to propose such thing when republicans have not given him their delusional authority to act and perform his job as President, How dare he to think he can do anything without the white male republican system and establishment telling him its Ok, to work to support, strengthen and work toward making a better America for American people.

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Old 02-11-2016, 06:59 AM
 
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Please elaborate.

Enlighten me.



You mean like how the executive branch can get things done when a do-nothing congress obstructs.

You know, executive orders.

Executive orders were never meant to be legislative. And certainly never meant to take over when congress and the president can't compromise. The three branches are meant to be a check and balance against a dictator.

But if you're OK with executive orders, I guess you'll be OK when the new president gets rid of ACA with an executive order. And since the executive order is OK when one branch "obstructs" you'll also be OK when abortion is made illegal?
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Old 02-11-2016, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Executive orders were never meant to be legislative. And certainly never meant to take over when congress and the president can't compromise. The three branches are meant to be a check and balance against a dictator.

But if you're OK with executive orders, I guess you'll be OK when the new president gets rid of ACA with an executive order. And since the executive order is OK when one branch "obstructs" you'll also be OK when abortion is made illegal?
Executive orders are not legislation. I recall GW opening Guantanamo by executive order but didn't hear a ground swell of opposition indicating he went around congress.


There has not been one EO that Obama issued that by passed legislation.
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Old 02-11-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Smile I see...

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Executive orders were never meant to be legislative. And certainly never meant to take over when congress and the president can't compromise. The three branches are meant to be a check and balance against a dictator.

But if you're OK with executive orders, I guess you'll be OK when the new president gets rid of ACA with an executive order. And since the executive order is OK when one branch "obstructs" you'll also be OK when abortion is made illegal?

You have no grasp on the authority of executive orders.

Good reading here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

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Old 02-11-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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Now in the 21st Century here is a black man, who wants to take away the last remnants of a Antebellum structure and usher in a new model of "EQUALITY AND OPPORTUNITY OF ECONOMIC EQUILIBRIUM TO AND FOR ALL, and how dare him want to have a program to stop Insurance companies from taking peoples money then denying them service coverage, and how dare him challenge the money making game of Insurance and Medicine, which the former slavers saw as their new model to guarantee themselves and ongoing robbery system that could get money from everyone and give as little as possible for it. How dare him to try and get banks to lend fair, be fair and stop gambling and destroying peoples lives with insane interest rates, and how dare he challenge Wall Street and ask them to stop destroying companies and chasing avarice through their greed and leaving cities decimated by the industrial losses.
What the heck are you smoking? Obama is a corporate shill and the ACA was written solely to benefit the insurance companies. Yeah, he will challenge Wall Street just like Hillary would have...they're both owned by them but keep believing your magical fairy tales of hope and change.
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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If any of the Republican had any decency of regard for ALL AMERICANS, they would have been long ago in favor of Transforming America.
If Republican's think it will remain the once upon a time white ruled and dominated Nation, then they are sadly mistaken, which is what they are truly sore about, but don't have the guts to say it.

American spent 100's of years crafting disenfranchisement policies, games and regulatory garbage to keep minorities out of the economic uplift loop, to keep women out of the economic uplift loop and to make sure that poor whites remain in the poor whites circle and don't try to climb into the pen with the wealthy whites.

Yep, Obama is right to try and change that draconian madness of the Antebellum Ideological Design.

Right wing withes have been angry since the inauguration of a black man as President, because it cracks their bubble of thinking themselves superior and they have been on a single spill, of " trying to claim him unqualified, and any other things they can try and cling to to feed their delusions of white superiority and white dominance, and anything that shows them that such ignorance is ignorance, they will fight against it. these are the same mentalities who presided in the streets with vile and violence fighting against the basic simplicity of "equal rights under the law", they did not want minorities and women to have equal rights with the idea of white men, heck they did not what poor white men to have equal rights with the well to do white men. They get as angry at dire poor whites trying to frequent establishment that wealthy white men go to, to a degree close to what anguish them to see a black person frequent such establishments.

The trick of madness is many poor whites follow republicans, based on the same thing MLK said decades ago, that these poor whites have been fed the delusion that even though they are broke and struggling, and their kids downtrodden, they were told that their white skin makes them more than blacks, even when their kids are starving and their are denied access to the top shelf jobs and everything else that is denied to them of which the well to do whites have reserved exclusively for themselves, but they can't see it, because they have a delusion that being white will get them access. When fact is, the wealthy whites have never wanted to mingle or associate with the poor whites. they call them, "white trash", and still there are many poor whites being made into puppets to support a Right Wing that see them as nothing more than pawns to use to push bigotry and racism madness in the streets, and during the conflict the well to do whites profit while the chaos rages and when it said and done, the poor whites are still considered as the poor whites.
Big corp busted up anything and everything they could think of that would be an avenue for poor whites to move up the economic ladder, but the real aim was to also make sure that minorities did not move and, to guarantee that women could not move up. This is what makes it so crazy that so many poor and working poor whites support a Right Wing, that has used them, and continue to use them through their own ignorance of understanding they are being used.

This spill about public service, if it is cuts, that means 4-7 times more whites will suffer than the whole number of blacks who use this benefit and service. But the poor whites can't see it, because they have been drilled with the madness of focusing on trying to deny access to minorities, without knowing they stick a knife in their own foot every time they try to follow the groomed script, because they don't grasp the fact they are in the same low regard group, which is called "the poor" ... for those who don't understand. The Poor = women in general, dire poor whites, working poor whites, minorities !!!!!

Cut medicare and mess with ACA and mess with social security and see just how many whites people become devastated, many have already been ripped clean with the way pensions have been destroyed or turn over to pension guarantee companies, and then they get hit with having their once upon a time medical coverage for life to be hit with Co-pays that suck up a big % of their small pension. STILL THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND. This is the kind of stuff that racism and bigotry and bias blinds people from seeing, and they get hung up thinking their skin color has given them an uplift, while they are continually stripped and ripped by the same aims and games that are set in motion to try and deny something to minorities.
They can't grasp they are thought of as nothing more than the 'service class" the same as well to do whites have always considered blacks as members of the service class.
If being white was going to be what you think it to be, there would be no poor whites after 500 yrs of America, but nothing has changed since the days of slavery and indenture, except slavey is now made the responsibility of the individual who is enslaved within the service class of and by minimum wage, which is NO MORE THAN WHAT IT COST TO HOUSE AND FEED A SLAVE IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS AND WITH NO ABILITY FOR UPWARD ECONOMIC GROWTH.
The same MINIMUM WAGE IS STILL NO MORE THAN WHAT AN INDENTURED Servant WOULD GET TO PAY FOR HIS OWN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING AND SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS and to almost provide for his children.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!!

This is so very hard for so many working poor and poor whites to see, because it burst their bubble of thinking that being white gives them a delusion of being better than minorities. They fought the civil rights, because they did not wants minorities to feel, think or be equal in the eyes of the laws of the land. While they were blinded by such hatred of the concept of Civil Rights, they could not see their lot and position in society was stagnated and relegated to nothing more than a indentured servant or a technician servant to provide services to ensure the wealth and well to do, would not have to do their own manual labors. They let a few pass by the line to keep the delusion going, but that was and is a measured factor still to this day.
Look around, what do you have other than a mortgage that it takes now 30-40 yrs to pay, a car that you now get to pay 5-7 yrs of payments to drive, and your kids get strapped with education debt in the 10's of thousand for claims about jobs that don't exist.
There is and has never been a reason one can pay for a deprecating asset such a car in 5-7 yrs, but it takes 30 yrs to pay the same 40-50-60-100k for a house. It makes about as much sense as nothing, but people buy the game and the game continues, guaranteeing that you will not get beyond being of and a member of the service class.
When equity was elevated, they suckered people to borrow, and now they ended up many upside down in a home they once thought they could own. When you pay for 30-40 yrs, you get what? maybe the chance to almost pay for being in a nursing home or assisted care takes all your social security, and anything else you have and if you have anything, then you can't get medical assistance to pay for the assistance with declining health, so all your saving goes to the medical services community.
If poor whites understood, they run from the Republican Party with the speed of lightening, and they'd understand the policies of the Democrats who have a platform to aspire to focus on people above industry.
They'd wake up and understand the indenturing programming that the Republican System is bound to, in their aim to support industry and the wealthy far and above the common people, who is made up of poor whites, working poor whites, minorities and women.

Republican nearly crashed the whole nation and got many poor whites and working poor whites and minorities kids killed in the wars, homeless, jobless and still people blindly support a Republican system designed to contain them as members of the service class. It is insane!!!!!! and it does what insanity does, is repeat the same thing and expect a different result.

So, yes, thank goodness President Obama had and has the strength of dignity, character and humane concern to work toward aims to fundamentally change America and make it a place where opportunity is open to all and a level playing field is available that ALL may have opportunity.

When Republican heard that, they went nuts!!!!!! How dare a black man, want to change and wipe out the indenturing programming the Republican have spent their life working to sustain and promote. Heck, they feel the same way Antebellum Southerners felt when the acts were engaged to end slavery. They were furious!!!! how dare take a way slaves and force the slave owners to pay for labor or get off their ass and do the work themselves. How dare to make laws that won't allow the beating of others to force them to free labor, to provide free sex, and to create new babies they can turn into future slaves, or white men could impregnate the women and never have to care for the kids he impregnated the women with, How dare someone pursue an end of slavery and take these pleasures and greed and abuse games away from the wealthy white men. many fought their own brother and cousins in the Civil War trying to retain slavery.... so you can best believe today, they do not want any equality and to be without indentured servants and the service class they have used abused, and relied upon to give them the satisfactions of and from their vices.
Now in the 21st Century here is a black man, who wants to take away the last remnants of a Antebellum structure and usher in a new model of "EQUALITY AND OPPORTUNITY OF ECONOMIC EQUILIBRIUM TO AND FOR ALL, and how dare him want to have a program to stop Insurance companies from taking peoples money then denying them service coverage, and how dare him challenge the money making game of Insurance and Medicine, which the former slavers saw as their new model to guarantee themselves and ongoing robbery system that could get money from everyone and give as little as possible for it. How dare him to try and get banks to lend fair, be fair and stop gambling and destroying peoples lives with insane interest rates, and how dare he challenge Wall Street and ask them to stop destroying companies and chasing avarice through their greed and leaving cities decimated by the industrial losses.
How dare he to not continue the war games and weapons selling proliferation where weapon sellers can continue to make a fortune and the sons and daughters of poor people can get wounded and killed, while Republican congressional policies make it difficult for them to get care, treatment or compensation for their injuries and losses of body part usages.

HOW DARE HE TO PROPOSE A BUDGET THAT CONTAINS PROVISIONS TO HELP AMERICAN CITIES AND AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO REBUILD OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. How dare he propose such things, when Republicans have not got all their money drainers, earmarks and their crews of block and tackle players all in place yet, to ensure nothing gets done. Is he crazy to propose such thing when republicans have not given him their delusional authority to act and perform his job as President, How dare he to think he can do anything without the white male republican system and establishment telling him its Ok, to work to support, strengthen and work toward making a better America for American people.
"American spent 100's of years crafting disenfranchisement policies, games and regulatory garbage to keep minorities out of the economic"

The racists can ALWAYS be counted on to bring up race and whine aBout how "whitey kept them down".

The Equal Rights Bill was passed 40 some years ago and some STILL CANNOT make it.

Affirmative Action was implemented to GUARANTEE blacks got hired, and some STILL can't make it.

Busing was tried and some STILL can't make even though they ATTENDEd the SAME schools as whites.

EXCUSES, EXCUSE, EXCUSES.
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Executive orders are not legislation. I recall GW opening Guantanamo by executive order but didn't hear a ground swell of opposition indicating he went around congress.


There has not been one EO that Obama issued that by passed legislation.
GOOD GOD, it is no wonder many on the led ft have earned the moniker of "low information voter"!
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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You have no grasp on the authority of executive orders.

Good reading here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Have YOU read it?

Where does it state that President CAN make or CHANGE EXISTING LAWS?
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