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Old 02-22-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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I'll just leave this here.


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Old 02-22-2016, 01:54 PM
 
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so there you go. not every job requires a bachelor degree. and not everyone is suited for college.
Sure, but if you want a good paying job with good benefits, those jobs mostly require bachelor's degrees. I used to work in DER for 8 years, that was the minimum requirement for probably 90% of the positions available, ESPECIALLY the upper level positions.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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I would happily wash my hands of the government's responsibility to me, as long as they reimburse me the monies I've funded to Medicare with the extra I would have made had I invested that money.
You would get $0 back because it was spent on previous generations' care. There's no money to give back.

Still want to take that deal?

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And you honestly think that when the government starts writing checks for college, the cost will go down? LOL
This is what's known among college-educated people as a "Strawman." Something you learn about in introductory English.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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You either don't have a job, aren't looking for work or have been in the same job for decades because everyone else knows that yes, yes you do in fact need to have at LEAST a Bachelor's Degree for most positions nowadays. That is, if you want to make more than the federal minimum wage with benefits.
My daughter will make somewhere around 500k this year and never set foot in a university. What did it take? Good old-fashioned hard work, becoming an expert in her field and the drive/determination to excel and be the best. Her former bosses (with degrees), now work for her. Her cousins, with "Communications" degrees from major universities make about 40k (and complain). My sons (who have some college) started and built a very successful business in the construction industry-cost to start the business was less than $1000. They saw a need and filled it. I could give you many, many examples of people that I know personally that have been very successful without a college degree. If a person really wants to make it without college, they can!
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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today's softies needs moxie so they can effectively run this country some day. they should be drafted into the army for 2 years standard. then they can use their vet benefits to get into college.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Medicare is not properly funded. It adds trillions of dollars to the national debt every year.

If we all "Got what we paid for" and nothing more, Medicare would shut down tomorrow.

Which is why I brought it up. It illustrates that you're perfectly okay with people getting freebies from the government, as long as those "people" include you.
I actually agree on this. If I remember correctly, people who paid into the system are getting back more than they put in when adjusting the figures to the modern economy, and to be more accurate, that money is gone. It was spent by the government a long time ago, and spent on other things people during that time enjoyed. I wish I could remember the episode of a podcast I listened to on this subject because it was pretty great. I'm a little rusty on the details.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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My daughter will make somewhere around 500k this year and never set foot in a university. What did it take? Good old-fashioned hard work, becoming an expert in her field and the drive/determination to excel and be the best. Her former bosses (with degrees), now work for her. Her cousins, with "Communications" degrees from major universities make about 40k (and complain). My sons (who have some college) started and built a very successful business in the construction industry-cost to start the business was less than $1000. They saw a need and filled it. I could give you many, many examples of people that I know personally that have been very successful without a college degree. If a person really wants to make it without college, they can!
Congrats. However, for the average person, you need at least a bachelor's degree. Sorry if many of you don't believe this but it is indeed true. If you've been in the field of job placement, you know this.

Actually, I need to smirk at your "good old fashioned hard work" comment. Have you ever been to college? It's a nightmare of endless studying, exams, papers, internships....you know, hard work.
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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She probably has a college degree in one of those really useful fields of study!
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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After college, if a student got a degree-related job within the first two years, their loan would be forgiven. If not, they would have to pay off their loan. This is so the government isn't paying for students to major in English Lit who will then continue to wait tables all through their twenties. Students would need to consider their major and whether or not its marketable, as well as take their choice much more seriously than they currently do.
Even employment experts have no idea what degree is going to be marketable in 5 years, and you expect college students to guess this?

Highly marketable in 2006
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Biology
Business
Chemistry
Journalism
Law
Math
Statistics

Not marketable in 2006
Biometrics
Data Science
Education
Geography
Psychometrics
Sustainability



Highly marketable in 2016
Biometrics
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Geography
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Sustainability

Not marketable in 2016
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Old 02-22-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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Even employment experts have no idea what degree is going to be marketable in 5 years, and you expect college students to guess this?

Highly marketable in 2006
Architecture
Biology
Business
Chemistry
Journalism
Law
Math
Statistics

Not marketable in 2006
Biometrics
Data Science
Education
Geography
Psychometrics
Sustainability



Highly marketable in 2016
Biometrics
Data Science
Education
Geography
Psychometrics
Sustainability

Not marketable in 2016
Architecture
Biology
Business
Chemistry
Journalism
Law
Math
Statistics
Who said that Data Science and Geography were "not marketable in 2006" ?
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