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Old 06-24-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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The USA has had two major depressions in its history. Neither can be traced to any socialist policies. Yet you claim unabated capitalism does not fail.
Two major depressions, and (from memory) I would say at least 15 serious recessions. And to the best of my recollection, every one of them directly caused by poor regulation of the business and financial sectors. Yet the "Cult of Capitalism Can Do No Wrong" continually warns us that we have to guard against socialism, just in case it someday causes the same economic catastrophes that unchecked capitalism causes at least once in each generation.

 
Old 06-24-2016, 09:55 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Have you ever actually taken in a look in your house and/or garage and noticed not only where all your stuff was made but where the brands are headquartered?

Sounds like you are very pro globalization and just don't realize it.
And that is the problem. When I go to the store to buy something in America, most of my choices should be American made products. At 47 years old, I can remember a time when that was the case, and it is not a coincidence that our middle class was the strongest during that time period.

Politicians, who need money from corporations to win elections, have made trade deals that benefited the corporations at the expense of the American people. Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and our wonderful congress over the years have sold out the American people. This is great stuff if you are a corporation, or one of the billions of poor people in third world countries around the world, but I always believed a government's obligations were to its own people first. Our government with the aid of certain economists and their smoke and mirrors, BS theories that defy logic have sold us on the idea that globalization would benefit us in the end, but I never bought it. Globalization produces winners and losers, and when you mix the economies of wealthy nations with those of third world countries, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who those winners and losers will be.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 09:56 PM
 
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Not anymore, it's descended into the usual CD crapfest.

And I'm replying to someone who wrote
"Originally before voting day, I was set to vote Remain but when I actually went to vote I voted to Leave. "
Well hey at least you did your part adding to the usual crapfest

Yup proud of it too Don't let that door hit out on the way out

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Old 06-24-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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Default Let's look at Switzerland

It's not in the EU, and they're doing better than virtually all of the EU countries.

So stop complaining about the Brexit already.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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And that is the problem. When I go to the store to buy something in America, most of my choices should be American made products. At 47 years old, I can remember a time when that was the case, and it is not a coincidence that our middle class was the strongest during that time period.

Politicians, who need money from corporations to win elections, have made trade deals that benefited the corporations at the expense of the American people. Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and our wonderful congress over the years have sold out the American people. This is great stuff if you are a corporation, or one of the billions of poor people in third world countries around the world, but I always believed a government's obligations were to its own people first. Our government with the aid of certain economists and their smoke and mirrors, BS theories that defy logic have sold us on the idea that globalization would benefit us in the end, but I never bought it. Globalization produces winners and losers, and when you mix the economies of wealthy nations with those of third world countries, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who those winners and losers will be.
Ask Donald J. Trump where his products are manufactured.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 09:58 PM
 
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I'd take freedom over that.

And stop having a hissy-fit. They're going to recover.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:04 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Its called sarcasm buddy, stop being paranoid.
Globalists can't help but be paranoid these days. The fifth-largest economy in the world just pissed all over their precious worldview. At least their worldview smells better now.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:05 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Ask Donald J. Trump where his products are manufactured.
There was an American embassy in Europe that recently held a party for a company that was American but no longer was American and this embassy should not have held a party in their honor.

If the embassies don't know which companies are American, how will we?
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:10 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Ask Donald J. Trump where his products are manufactured.
You won't hear me blaming the corporations, Trump included, because it was not their responsibility to look out for America. That is supposed to be the job of our government. Corporations are always going to put their shareholders first. They make no apologies, nor am I asking for one. I didn't vote for them to represent me, so it doesn't surprise me when they are working against my interests. I hold the people I DID vote for, to a higher standard. This is not about which companies are moving shop overseas. It's about the government that makes it so easy for them, and is some cases even rewarded them with tax breaks.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:19 PM
 
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And that is the problem. When I go to the store to buy something in America, most of my choices should be American made products. At 47 years old, I can remember a time when that was the case, and it is not a coincidence that our middle class was the strongest during that time period.

Politicians, who need money from corporations to win elections, have made trade deals that benefited the corporations at the expense of the American people. Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and our wonderful congress over the years have sold out the American people. This is great stuff if you are a corporation, or one of the billions of poor people in third world countries around the world, but I always believed a government's obligations were to its own people first. Our government with the aid of certain economists and their smoke and mirrors, BS theories that defy logic have sold us on the idea that globalization would benefit us in the end, but I never bought it. Globalization produces winners and losers, and when you mix the economies of wealthy nations with those of third world countries, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who those winners and losers will be.

Well I am 57 and remember when the Corporations where actually in part a pillar of the middle class. They gave good wages and great pensions plans. Then corporations did indeed offshore to other nations and betray it's own employees. But this had nothing to do with politicians and some new found globalism. This started back in the 80's. And it was all about completion. I worked in IT designing computers. But got out when all of the US Companies started exporting design and fabrication to Japan. Despite tariffs it was still cheaper for them. I am always perplexed by people who think this is a new phenomenon.

If you think isolation is the answer you will be mistaken. At then end of the day we will still have corporations dominating a capitalist system. Without checks we will be worse off.
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