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Maybe they should put these men in a house with anyone who wants to avoid having any wall and who is in favor of illegals staying here without the same scrutiny and checks we and all other legal aliens had to deal with and we never complained about as it is part of the process!
Ok, so first of all the myth of undocumented workers committing crime at a higher rate than their American counterparts is false, you can say they are not supposed to be here one crime is too many! sure you can say that.
Now Mexico negative rate of migration, more Mexicans are leaving than coming it's been that way for the last 3 years and the rate of self deportation is just increasing, so who is coming over the border? A lot of central Americans who are from countries south of Mexico, no news here right? Now what else is there between Mexico and it's southern neighbors? That's right you guessed it a wall, a wall with armed guards who have no regard for human rights violations, so riddle me this how is it that a wall between Mexico and the U.S. Is the solution but the wall between Mexico and Guatemala clearly does not serve its purpose.
Ok, so first of all the myth of undocumented workers committing crime at a higher rate than their American counterparts is false, you can say they are not supposed to be here one crime is too many! sure you can say that.
Now Mexico negative rate of migration, more Mexicans are leaving than coming it's been that way for the last 3 years and the rate of self deportation is just increasing, so who is coming over the border? A lot of central Americans who are from countries south of Mexico, no news here right? Now what else is there between Mexico and it's southern neighbors? That's right you guessed it a wall, a wall with armed guards who have no regard for human rights violations, so riddle me this how is it that a wall between Mexico and the U.S. Is the solution but the wall between Mexico and Guatemala clearly does not serve its purpose.
Ok, so first of all the myth of undocumented workers committing crime at a higher rate than their American counterparts is false, you can say they are not supposed to be here one crime is too many! sure you can say that.
Now Mexico negative rate of migration, more Mexicans are leaving than coming it's been that way for the last 3 years and the rate of self deportation is just increasing, so who is coming over the border? A lot of central Americans who are from countries south of Mexico, no news here right? Now what else is there between Mexico and it's southern neighbors? That's right you guessed it a wall, a wall with armed guards who have no regard for human rights violations, so riddle me this how is it that a wall between Mexico and the U.S. Is the solution but the wall between Mexico and Guatemala clearly does not serve its purpose.
The wall between Mexico and Guatemala is 577 miles in length, mostly through jungle areas. But it has only 125 men as guards... not nearly enough to actually do the job. Fix the manpower situation and the wall will do its job. It worked great on the border between San Diego and Tijuana. i know that because I lived 2 miles from the border there. That fence worked.
Why would Democrats want to turn this in to a "third world" hell hole?
I'm a Democrat and I want our country to be awesome. It already is pretty damn good. I want it to be better. I live a great life here. Are you unable to compete? If more immigrants are let in are you unable to keep up?
What's the real fear here? Why blame it on Democrats, when, it seems your own lack of skills is keeping you back...
You want our country to be awesome? You surely aren't helping in the right direction.
How would importing poverty, aka giving amnesty to 50-70 million poor illegal immigrants, help our country to be awesome? How would that help the poor American citizens? Our government is in 17 trillion dollars debt. By adding another 50-70 million poor illegals, how could we afford to pay for their welfare, unemployment, food stamps and health care?
The Democrat politicians know exactly what they are doing but I don't think you know by supporting Democrats, you are screwing our country and our people.
Should we just put a giant wall around the entire country and end all outside connections via airports to make America secure? I love this magical unicorn right wingers ride around on with this idea of a wall somehow fixing all their problems.
How can anyone think that America wouldn't be a better place if a actual working wall was built that kept out people that entered the US illegally?
If such a wall was built and it stopped half of the illegals and half of the drugs even a quarter of the drugs it certainly wouldn't solve all our problems but I think it would be a good start.
How many news stories have we heard where an illegal alien has injured, robbed, raped or even killed a citizen and that illegal has been deported multiple times? Any politician who would block the building of a wall and making our border more secure on the grounds of racism or just being mean should have to personally apologize to the people that have been been victims of criminals that should have never been here in the first place.
It is such a fundamental idea to lock our back door that the people that oppose the wall must have a hidden agenda. Do they like having millions of illegals in the country? Do they enjoy hearing about the crimes that some of them commit?
Since when has the needs of an illegal few outweighed the needs of the many who are legal??
Do not think we need a continuous wall. In high traffic areas yes but folks who try to transit away from sources of water and food are taking a death march type of gamble. Every been out along the border in AZ or NM? I think BP or NG manned observation towers with routine patrols are fine in that harsh environment and climate.
He never said that we need a continuous wall. He has pointed out several times that there are natural barriers that are either uncrossable, or you are a fool to try to cross them, that we don't need to build any structures there. The wall would be for those very areas that you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by voiceofreazon
Why do liberals always have to argue with a high degree of condescending snark and with extremes? reductio ad absurdum
A wall may not be a the perfect solution but it is infinitely better than what we are doing now, which is effectively nothing.
I'm not a "right winger" either btw and the right wing shares the blame in this mess since both sides are responsible for this mess. The left wants more democrat voters and the right wants cheap labor.
And to be honest, consumers are to blame, as well, since they all want cheap stuff. You hear that argument on here all the time: "If you don't have illegals doing the work, your lettuce is going to cost you $5" (which is an absurd statement). The fact that we have not demanded the wall, a wall that has been proposed for a very long time, and has not been done because of certain lobbyists, means that every single one who has voted against it, by voting for someone who was not serious about it, is also part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by svendrell
Would it be better to build a wall or better to end the freebies and entitlements that draw them in the first place?
If they came over and nothing was free and they couldn't work (extremely stiff penalties for employers), would they still come?
Both. Get rid of the handouts, no anchor babies, e-verify, harsh penalties for employers BUT you have to fix that "free" trade thing at the same time, or they'll just pack up and move to another country, build the wall. Do all of it.
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