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How can anyone think that America wouldn't be a better place if a actual working wall was built that kept out people that entered the US illegally?
If such a wall was built and it stopped half of the illegals and half of the drugs even a quarter of the drugs it certainly wouldn't solve all our problems but I think it would be a good start.
How many news stories have we heard where an illegal alien has injured, robbed, raped or even killed a citizen and that illegal has been deported multiple times? Any politician who would block the building of a wall and making our border more secure on the grounds of racism or just being mean should have to personally apologize to the people that have been been victims of criminals that should have never been here in the first place.
It is such a fundamental idea to lock our back door that the people that oppose the wall must have a hidden agenda. Do they like having millions of illegals in the country? Do they enjoy hearing about the crimes that some of them commit?
Since when has the needs of an illegal few outweighed the needs of the many who are legal??
That would mean less Democrat voters, less people on welfare and our poor citizens may have a chance to find a job or worse, they may have to work. How is that a good thing?
...This whole debate about the wall is just stupid....
For opposite reasons based in reality, I couldn't agree more.
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...We have to have a wall or we don't have a country...
What is it about conservatives that makes their hyperbole so laughable?!?
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...It is only a matter of time before something really bad arrives in this country but don't worry the liberal Dems will be there to wring their hands and pickup the pieces...
Agreed it's only a matter of time before something bad happens either by a foreign terrorist or homegrown militia member nutjob. But don't worry the Republicans will be there wring their hands in giddy anticipation of politically profiting from the tragedy...
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...What happened in Belgium today should be a wake up call but it won't be and Trump will still be labelled a racist isolationist for wanting to secure America.
The Don isn't labelled a racist isolationist for wanting to secure America, he is a racist isolationist because of his racist statements and bigoted policies he proposes...
Why do liberals always have to argue with a high degree of condescending snark and with extremes? reductio ad absurdum
A wall may not be a the perfect solution but it is infinitely better than what we are doing now, which is effectively nothing.
I'm not a "right winger" either btw and the right wing shares the blame in this mess since both sides are responsible for this mess. The left wants more democrat voters and the right wants cheap labor.
So spending billions and billions of dollars on something that won't do anything to stop anything is somehow a better idea? For who, government and contractors poised to make billions from such an idiotic idea?
How can anyone think that America wouldn't be a better place if a actual working wall was built that kept out people that entered the US illegally?
If such a wall was built and it stopped half of the illegals and half of the drugs even a quarter of the drugs it certainly wouldn't solve all our problems but I think it would be a good start.
How many news stories have we heard where an illegal alien has injured, robbed, raped or even killed a citizen and that illegal has been deported multiple times? Any politician who would block the building of a wall and making our border more secure on the grounds of racism or just being mean should have to personally apologize to the people that have been been victims of criminals that should have never been here in the first place.
It is such a fundamental idea to lock our back door that the people that oppose the wall must have a hidden agenda. Do they like having millions of illegals in the country? Do they enjoy hearing about the crimes that some of them commit?
Since when has the needs of an illegal few outweighed the needs of the many who are legal??
And yet, this multi billion dollar wall wouldn't actually stop anything. And how many home grown criminals do we have in this country that rape, murder, and rob?
Someone is more likely to be raped or murdered by someone they know than an illegal stranger.
So spending billions and billions of dollars on something that won't do anything to stop anything is somehow a better idea? For who, government and contractors poised to make billions from such an idiotic idea?
Hire illegals to build it, pay under the table. Save money.
So spending billions and billions of dollars on something that won't do anything to stop anything is somehow a better idea? For who, government and contractors poised to make billions from such an idiotic idea?
To say nothing of the billions and billions it will take to maintain if it ever actually got built, and the hundreds of Americans who would lose their land to eminent domain, all for something that won't solve the problem it purports to address since the majority of illegals in this country come in through airports or official checkpoints on tourist visas and then overstay.
But a wall is a panacea for the simple-minded, who, naturally, lap it up and ask for more. And Trump, king of the simple-minded, happily provides.
It is the old Socialist Vanguardism. Elites have privileges and the non-elites do not and have no say nor recourse.
If this were even to come to pass, it would in no way be worse than the capitalism which has also resulted in elites and non-elites, haves and have-nots, etc. Capitalism certainly has many great qualities and philosophies behind it, yet anyone with open eyes can see it (just like Communism, Socialism, etc.) is ultimately a pyramid scheme, due primarily to human greed and the capacity for corruption.
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Lots of blame on the democrats or the republicans. The truth is that both parties are controlled by Goldman Sachs, Koch botheres and friends, etc.
Hear, hear. I've been preaching this for years. The "Powers That Be" love nothing more than to keep us distracted and arguing with each other. The level of political discourse in this nation has been reduced to a bunch of knuckle-dragging football dads shouting each other down over a junior high ball game. It's shameful.
meanwhile, BOTH high-ranking Democrats AND Republicans are bought, sold and owned by special interests--in addition to those mentioned in the above quote, you can add multinational CEOs, lobbyists, defense contractors, Monsatano, heads of global banks and energy concerns, etc.
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Today we need another political party that represents only the working class. Sanders is the only candidate that could represent all Americans and it is easy to see how big money has conspired against him. Sanders scares the top 1%. He is supported by the working class with and average donation of $31.
Again: well and truly spoken.
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Originally Posted by Tyster
We don't have a Giant Drug War on the Canadian border and we don't have millions of Canadians illegally flooding across our northern border.
The biggest drug war we need to concern ourselves with is the completely and utterly ineffectual and astonishingly expensive war on drugs right here in the USA by our own government against our citizens, more of whom are locked up for drug violations and offenses than any other reason: ("While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners." (Roy Walmsley (November 21, 2013). World Prison Population List (tenth edition). International Centre for Prison Studies. Retrieved July 11, 2014.))
I do not smoke pot...haven't for years, so I have no real dog in this fight, but I do believe decriminalizing marijuana is a good idea. Make it legal, tax the heck out of it and watch the revenue roll in.
Moreover, fewer illegal drug-related crimes and violence even if just weed were made legal. It is far more ubiquitous, inexpensive and less harmful than most other drugs, legal or illegal.
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
How would importing poverty, aka giving amnesty to 50-70 million poor illegal immigrants, help our country to be awesome? How would that help the poor American citizens? Our government is in 17 trillion dollars debt. By adding another 50-70 million poor illegals, how could we afford to pay for their welfare, unemployment, food stamps and health care?
Demagogues need to invent an enemy for their followers to gather around and hate. Trump is great at playing to the lowest-common-denominator, mouth-breather types in this regard.
Frankly, I'm not nearly as worried about the possible economic effects of these immigrants as I am about Wall Street bailouts, tax shelters for huge businesses, entitlements and monetary incentives for oil companies, corporations as "individuals" and so on.
I cannot speak to the relative economic impact of the "illegals" as opposed to recipients of corporate welfare, but I would feel confident in assuming the latter is a far bigger financial burden on the nation. Just the TARP bailout alone cost American taxpayers 5 trillion dollars.
But of course, it's not the corporation raking in billions and avoiding taxes while moving all the jobs they can offshore that is the problem--it's some brown people from other countries, or it's the teachers who get paid too much and have too much union backing, or it's the single mother who gets a couple hundred dollars a month in food stamps. I don't fall for this line of B.S.
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But a wall is a panacea for the simple-minded, who, naturally, lap it up and ask for more. And Trump, king of the simple-minded, happily provides.
Ahhh, the paranoia of some people....I have been sleeping with unlocked doors and windows all 75 years my life...I'm still here and so is my stuff.
I used to watch a lot of right-wing media several years ago. The fear factor is dialed up to the stratosphere. They make it a point to make it seem like the world is going to end from those scary brown foreigners and blacks
By why only build a wall along the border with Mexico? What about the border we share with Canada? No wall along the Canadian border would be like "like leaving the doors and windows of your house open at night".
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