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Anyone else confused by the article? It says that Hispanics are identifying as non-Hispanics, then it presents a chart showing that 81.7% of third generation Hispanics consider themselves Hispanic. And using the term "only" with high percentages. Seems contradictory to me.
I agree with you, the science here seems a bit muddled. Essentially science just looks to understand the way the world works. There's a problem with some scientific hypotheses - sometimes the problem begins with a priori convictions.
There's a saying in some research communities, 'When you torture the data long enough, it will eventually confess'.
Some of this seems to demonstrate a hokey scientific method, or it does not clearly align with the scientific method. When the data, observations, evidence, etc. do not fit or prove the hypothesis, it's 'back to the ole drawing board.' The scientific method is an excellent tool & when used properly it may lead to new hypotheses to examine & explore. Science never stops looking, it is a holy curiosity.
I don't really see that here although that may be related to the way the work is presented here.
I've known people of "brown" Mexican family who ain't culturally "Hispanic" at all like as in English only and so on.
So maybe they are happily American...and it's not like Hispanic is really all that specific and meaningful in the first place. However, you do identify them as Mexican so obviously they have made at least that much clear.
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Further, Hispanic is a category that is virtually non-existent outside of the U.S. so it's not like people are abandoning some longstanding cultural identification.
It's common knowledge. I live in the Caribbean among plenty Hispanics (aside from my own Venezuelan heritage further back and yes, am of Caribbean descent). Are you really going argue that "Hispanic" is a long standing identity throughout the Spanish-speaking nations as in the United States? Last time I checked, nationality and regional identification is far stronger and meaningful.
Tell me on how many census forms in the Caribbean and Latin America do you find Hispanic.
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The article is off. Many only choose one because most surveys require that you choose one. Though the government has changed, it's likely that people choose one as a habit. That doesn't mean they don't ID as both or more backgrounds.
The article also refers to the second generation as immigrants. Since when are we immigrants when we are born and raised in this nation? Further, Hispanic is a category that is virtually non-existent outside of the U.S. so it's not like people are abandoning some longstanding cultural identification. In fact, thats an abandonment of an American label. The numbers in the article still show the majority of those of Hispanic and Asian descent identifying with their ethnicity, no matter the generation.
Again though, a person can have a white American parent and white Hispanic parent. It's a culturally mixed marriage. Here selecting "white" is not a rejection of Hispanic identity. Switch it with "black" and it's the same.
Personally, the American census and other so-called racial surveys are not at all indicative of how I identify. I've had to select one when I consider myself mixed. They are limited, so my forms vary in terms of selections.
Really, I identify with my cultural/ethnic background. For those who are familiar, it then goes without saying that I'm of mixed heritage.
Good points.
I always refuse to pick one of the listed choices unless I can choose more than one.
If I have to give a single response, I always pick "other."
In fact, new immigrants may be assimilating a lot faster than than we had ever thought. A new study this week from economists Brian Duncan, of the University of Colorado, and Stephen Trejo of University of Texas, Austin finds that the descendents of immigrants from Latin-American and Asian countries quickly cease to identify as Hispanic or Asian on government surveys.
So much for the US becoming "majority minority" there. More and more "Hispanics" are turning their backs on la raza and, becoming "anglo white" in both culture and "race". Too; many Black/Hispanic kids simply ID as "Black".
What's wrong with identifying as "black?"
Black people have been American for longer than most whites since we have longer "roots" in the country.
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I've known people of "brown" Mexican family who ain't culturally "Hispanic" at all like as in English only and so on.
What do you think of black Americans?
Around here it seems many people think black Americans have a different culture than "American culture." Yet we have spoken American English for generations and our ancestors have been in this country much longer than most white Americans, who are descendants primarily of recent immigrants (1890-1920s)
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Anyone else confused by the article? It says that Hispanics are identifying as non-Hispanics, then it presents a chart showing that 81.7% of third generation Hispanics consider themselves Hispanic. And using the term "only" with high percentages. Seems contradictory to me.
I thought the same thing. The information provided doesn't match the article itself.
In fact, new immigrants may be assimilating a lot faster than than we had ever thought. A new study this week from economists Brian Duncan, of the University of Colorado, and Stephen Trejo of University of Texas, Austin finds that the descendents of immigrants from Latin-American and Asian countries quickly cease to identify as Hispanic or Asian on government surveys.
So much for the US becoming "majority minority" there. More and more "Hispanics" are turning their backs on la raza and, becoming "anglo white" in both culture and "race". Too; many Black/Hispanic kids simply ID as "Black".
I have to say, I really don't notice Hispanics or Asians anymore. They are just people to me. I think they are completely assimilated.
It's common knowledge. I live in the Caribbean among plenty Hispanics (aside from my own Venezuelan heritage further back). Are you really going argue that "Hispanic" is a long standing identity throughout the Spanish-speaking nations as in the United States? Last time I checked, nationality and regional identification is far stronger and meaningful.
Tell me on how many census forms in the Caribbean and Latin America do you find Hispanic.
To hell with your "common knowledge". Latino is not a term that exists just in the USA. The term itself is a Spanish term, not an English one. As a Hispanic person, I can actually tell you that in Spanish we refer to ourselves as "latinos" or "hispanos" when we are collectively referring to those who hail from/descend from Latin America. Go to ANY Latin American country and use the word Hispanic or Latino when describing someone, and people will know perfectly well what you are talking about.
I have to say, I really don't notice Hispanics or Asians anymore. They are just people to me. I think they are completely assimilated.
What does it mean to be assimilated anyway? To me, being American is a cultural mix anyway. Almost all of us carry practices from other places and are influenced by foreign cultures, especially in this day and age. Most normal people aren't studying who is Hispanic, Asian, African or Martian on a daily basis anyway. We just want to work and come home. LOL.
To hell with your "common knowledge". Latino is not a term that exists just in the USA. The term itself is a Spanish term, not an English one. As a Hispanic person, I can actually tell you that in Spanish we refer to ourselves as "latinos" or "hispanos" when we are collectively referring to those who hail from/descend from Latin America. Go to ANY Latin American country and use the word Hispanic or Latino when describing someone, and people will know perfectly well what you are talking about.
I said HISPANIC, not LATINO.
Who is talking about the word Latino?
Figure out what you are talking about before you go off about nothing.
Again, tell me on how many census forms in the Caribbean and Latin America do you find Hispanic.
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