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Hard working intelligent people are valuable and employers want to keep them. They move up the ladder on their own.
Then you have the people who need the threat of strikes and a union to keep their jobs and seniority instead of skills to move up.
Moving up the ladder doesn't change their benefits. And when do they get raises and how much. There are hard working union members who are trained in their field such as electricians, plumbers and so on.
Another Republican "Right to Work for Free" law struck down. Good.
IMHO - anyone working for another or a business should be in a UNION! That is the only way for an individual to maintain a balance of POWER with their employer. Lack of complete POWER is why employers hate and fear UNIONS.
SOLIDARITY!
Unions are practically dead for a reason. They are one of, if not thee most corrupt,institutions in the United States save the U.S. Government.
I don't know any business where an employee can negotiate anything. It's basically....this is the salary, if you don't like it then don't work here. Of course if you have a certain skill that no one else has then sure you can negotiate.
And this is such a fallacy perpetrated by republicans. Maybe some of you have great benefits without a union (although I'm sure most don't). But I don't know any union that doesn't provide great benefits to their members. We pay nothing into healthcare. They union pays for it all. Our co pay is $10 and prescriptions cost $2. I think we can manage paying dues for these kind of benefits. If anyone can find these kind of benefits without a union then great on you, but many can't. So I'm not sure why you are bad mouthing unions.
I've negotiated at every job I've ever taken, and so has nearly everyone I can think of. That's part of being an adult-taking responsibility for your actions, including making the best deal you can for your services. BTW, I highly doubt "the union" pays for any of those things. The union doesn't produce or sell a product. They either get money from their members (dues) or from the company. The employer is the one that actually pays the bills. The union leaders just skim a big chunk off the top.
That club you disparage is called a Union and IT got the good wages, decent health insurance, 8 hour day, and actual pension you expect when you work for some body else. If you do not want to take part just stay away. Those conditions did not come for free so if you want to work there pay your damn share. If you don't, go work in a open sweatshop along with the illegals.
The union can demand the non union worker negotiate their own contract.
If the non union worker negotiates by themselves for lower pay the union will complain they are being undercut.
If the non union worker gets the same contract the union complains they are riding their coattails.
If the non union worker negotiates a better contract the union complains they should be getting the same thing.
Frankly they non union worker should be forced to negotiate their own contract but that is something the union will never want to see happen because they will lose control.
I've negotiated at every job I've ever taken, and so has nearly everyone I can think of. That's part of being an adult-taking responsibility for your actions, including making the best deal you can for your services. BTW, I highly doubt "the union" pays for any of those things. The union doesn't produce or sell a product. They either get money from their members (dues) or from the company. The employer is the one that actually pays the bills. The union leaders just skim a big chunk off the top.
And what jobs have you been at where your skills are so valuable that you can negotiate. Did you negotiate your benefits as well. You can doubt all you want about unions but I don't lie about what our benefits are. Why would I.
Unless you're completely oblivious to the history of unionization, you wouldn't equate unions and middle class.
I not only know the history of unionization, I also know that in this country, "middle class" is an income classification, not an employment classification, so stuff the semantic gymnastics.
The union can demand the non union worker negotiate their own contract.
If the non union worker negotiates by themselves for lower pay the union will complain they are being undercut.
If the non union worker gets the same contract the union complains they are riding their coattails.
If the non union worker negotiates a better contract the union complains they should be getting the same thing.
Frankly they non union worker should be forced to negotiate their own contract but that is something the union will never want to see happen because they will lose control.
And how does the non-union worker negotiate his/her own contract?
Employer: I'll give you $10/hour, no benefits. Take it or leave it.
Non-union worker: I want $25/hour and 80% of my health insurance premium paid.
Employer: Go to hell. You're fired.
That works well.
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