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Old 05-06-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
I agree, but those countries still tax REGRESSIVELY to pay for it. Do you think Americans would agree to be taxed REGRESSIVELY to pay for national health care?
We are already taxed "REGRESSIVELY", the only tax that isn't regressive is income tax, so what the heck are you even talking about?
sales tax
payroll tax
dmv fees
state and local taxes
gas tax
bridge tolls
excise taxes

I don't know why you would even infer that regressive taxes only exist in countries with Universal Healthcare, and yes I would be willing to raise 'regressive taxes' and have universal healthcare and so do 58% of the American people:

Kaiser Poll: 58% of Americans support Medicare for all

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Old 05-06-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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I have Blue Cross through my employer.


It pays for just about everything.


Why is that a problem?
Because if you lose your job you won't have health insurance, which keeps you dependent on your employer and depresses wages.


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How does the same government that gave us the banking crisis
That was wall street.

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all of a sudden become trustworthy enough to handle our healthcare
How is corporate America trustworthy enough to handle our healthcare? Answer me that.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 10:52 AM
 
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I have Blue Cross through my employer.


It pays for just about everything.


Why is that a problem?


How does the same government that gave us the banking crisis and the VA scandal all of a sudden become trustworthy enough to handle our healthcare when the only entity left to keep them honest is government?
So you dont trust vaccination programs? You dont trust the public utility, the water you drink, your sewage system, the air you breathe, the postal office, the fire department, your local police or even the quality of the roads you drive on? Everything should just be left to private businesses out to make profits because government is really, really, really bad? Why do you even support the military? Thats the most socialist system imaginable, straight out of the soviet union and this government entity is really, really powerful.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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Most vets do not agree with you and do not want privatization like you want.
My Step-Dad is a vet. My mechanic is a vet. My Dad was a vet. I could go on and on... They all think/thought the government-administered VA system stinks.

Poll: Vets want health care outside VA
 
Old 05-06-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Yes, because nothing is more regressive than a privatized health care system where poor old widows pay the same dollar amount as people making millions. A national health care system would function just like social security and medicare.
So... you only get benefits after you've paid into the system for 10 years?
 
Old 05-06-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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I have Blue Cross through my employer.


It pays for just about everything.


Why is that a problem?


How does the same government that gave us the banking crisis and the VA scandal all of a sudden become trustworthy enough to handle our healthcare when the only entity left to keep them honest is government?
It doesn't. Smart people know that.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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My Step-Dad is a vet. My mechanic is a vet. My Dad was a vet. I could go on and on... They all think/thought the government-administered VA system stinks.

Poll: Vets want health care outside VA
Your link is not very compelling evidence, for one thing it was conducted by the Tarrance group and came from respondents to a survey published on a conservative website. (sort of like a poll on a Bernie Sanders website asking who the readers support for POTUS)

"In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals. These overall scores are based on specific feedback on customer expectations, perceived value and quality, responsiveness to customer complaints, and customer loyalty. One signature finding for 2013 is the continuing high degree of loyalty to VA among Veterans, with a score of 93 percent favorable. This score has remained high (above 90 percent) for the past ten years."
 
Old 05-06-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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We are already taxed "REGRESSIVELY"
BS.

Read the charts and graph:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ont-have-a-47/
 
Old 05-06-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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The field of extracting maximum profit from a captive customer base? You're right, that's best left to JD's and MBA's.

God forbid the public sector provide public health services to the general public.

If companies provide good service, they should be compensated. What's wrong with that?

Don't you want to be compensated for good work?

The government should not be involved in anyone's revenue stream. That includes how much they compensate their employees, the types of services they supply, how much they are taxed... they should not be involved.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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Your link is not very compelling, I have no doubt that Veterans would like to take their benefits to any hospital they want, but that does not mean that they don't like VA healthcare.
Actually, that's EXACTLY what it means.
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