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So, the teachers will work for FREE, the contractors that build the campuses will build them for FREE, the utility companies will provide services for FREE, the authors of the books needed will give them for FREE, the office workers, janitors and maintenance folks will work for FREE?
Is this what you're proposing?
Obviously not. K-12 education is free to those who attend (and their parents) and somehow we manage to pay teachers, contractors, and utilities.
Post K-12 education is rapidly hitting the point where it's no longer a "nice to have" but essential as the US continues to compete with foreign workers and the utility of a high school degree drops. We should be having the discussion about making post secondary education free to those who attend as well as many other countries around the world do, including Germany- considered by many to be Europe's strongest Economy. Germany will even offer free education to AMERICANS who want to attend German universities- that's how robust their program is.
as for "how do we pay for it" there's many ways to do this. It can be funded with sales taxes, income taxes, property taxes, or any combination thereof. If you're of the mindset that free postsecondary education has NO benefit to society as a whole and shouldn't be funded by everyone (I disagree- a better educated workforce is a more competitive workforce) then you can look at the Australian model, which Oregon was experimenting with. College is free to attend, and graduates pay back the cost with a fixed percentage of gross income (2-5%) over the next 30 years. This requires an upfront investment by the government to get started, but is otherwise a feasible model for funding education.
I feel public community college and adult education programs/public trade scools should be free.
Free? where does the money come from to pay the teachers buy /equip and maintain the buildings.where does the money come from to pay the needed insurances etc.?
Obviously not. K-12 education is free to those who attend (and their parents) and somehow we manage to pay teachers, contractors, and utilities.
Post K-12 education is rapidly hitting the point where it's no longer a "nice to have" but essential as the US continues to compete with foreign workers and the utility of a high school degree drops. We should be having the discussion about making post secondary education free to those who attend as well as many other countries around the world do, including Germany- considered by many to be Europe's strongest Economy. Germany will even offer free education to AMERICANS who want to attend German universities- that's how robust their program is.
K - 12 is not free. It's paid for by tax payers and everyone in that age group utilizes it. Not everyone over 18 utilizes a college program. Generally speaking, a person with a degree will earn more than one without, so if you will receive greater compensation for having one, you should incur the costs of receiving it.
What the hell does that even mean? Should states cut off all funding to their university systems? Should the federal government stop offering discounted loans?
Yep...many complaining didn't pay the actual costs of their educations either. Especially if they went to a state college.
Free? where does the money come from to pay the teachers buy /equip and maintain the buildings.where does the money come from to pay the needed insurances etc.?
Same place the money for all these wars are coming from.
K - 12 is not free. It's paid for by tax payers and everyone in that age group utilizes it. Not everyone over 18 utilizes a college program. Generally speaking, a person with a degree will earn more than one without, so if you will receive greater compensation for having one, you should incur the costs of receiving it.
You don't seem to have understood me. Note that I said K-12 is free for those who attend. I don't know any 6 year olds paying taxes of any sort, as they have no income. Even on the parental end, even if those kids have no parents, or those parents are imprisoned, indigent, etc they still pay nothing.
Obviously taxes fund the cost to run schools- I said as much in the third paragraph which you might have missed, since it was a late edit by me.
The cost of K-12 is borne by society because by and large its recognized that a well educated populace is beneficial to everyone. In my state there's even a mandate that if prison inmates do not have a high school degree or a GED, then they must train to receive one as a condition of parole.
The benefit of making postsecondary education free to attend as K-12 is that we ensure that we are educating as much of the population as possible providing the deepest labor pool possible. We're ensuring that those that obtain degrees are actually the BEST candidates for the job, and not just the best candidates that happened to have $15-20K per year in spending money.
That benefits society across the board. Americans will be better able to compete with foreign workers coming in with H1B's. Shortages in certain sectors (the trades, specifically) are no longer an issue. Adult workers that are laid off due to economic conditions or outsourcing are more easily retrained into new careers. Professional occupations (doctors, teachers, lawyers, etc) have an easier access to continuing education which they will need to stay certified and up to date. Non job related skills that virtually no one has but everyone should like financial literacy can actually be taught to those who most need it. It's not just getting a few people a slightly bigger paycheck.
Same place the money for all these wars are coming from.
End the wars and all the redistribution schemes. Eliminate taxes accordingly and people can pay for their own stuff or find avenues to help them as was done in the past.
All you're advocating for is an end to stealing money to fund wars, but yet you want to steal money to pay for the education of your children.
If I break into your house and steal the TV , sound system, jewelry , computer, etc., but donate the TV to Goodwill, I'm no less a thief.
End the wars and all the redistribution schemes. Eliminate taxes accordingly and people can pay for their own stuff or find avenues to help them as was done in the past.
All you're advocating for is an end to stealing money to fund wars, but yet you want to steal money to pay for the education of your children.
If I break into your house and steal the TV , sound system, jewelry , computer, etc., but donate the TV to Goodwill, I'm no less a thief.
wait...what? When exactly "in the past" were there no taxes and people "paid for their own stuff?" The stone age?
the public school juggernaut gobbles up all available tax resources. Now people want more? The notion of freedom is long forgotten. More enslavement for tax payers. gimme gimme has a price, not free. Perhaps the voting age should be upped to 25+
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