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Old 06-03-2016, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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I swear....the loudest talkers are always the biggest phonies.

Aint that the truth. And everytime I listen to Trump I wonder to myself if he even believes it that he has fooled so many gullible Americans into voting for him.
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Old 06-03-2016, 11:59 PM
 
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Lol...this is rich. His cafe was even featured on Fox News for its anti-Obama themed menu items.

I swear....the loudest talkers are always the biggest phonies.

Diner owner whose menu lampoons Obama guilty in welfare fraud case | syracuse.com
I love this. Thank you for posting it.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:20 AM
 
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And? What she was advocating for would stop the subsidies, yes?

If the government was to start offering "free" lunches to everyone tomorrow this would require a tax increase you will pay. Would it be hypocritical of you to eat the "free" lunch and advocate for eliminating it so you didn't have to pay the tax?
You guys always have an out! Always.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:40 AM
 
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You guys always have an out! Always.
Is it hypocritical of you to eat the "free" lunch you are paying for?

Should you pay for your lunch out of pocket and buy the neighbors with taxes who is eating his "free" lunch?

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Old 06-04-2016, 01:19 AM
 
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Is it hypocritical of you to eat the "free" lunch you are paying for?

Should you pay for your lunch out of pocket and buy the neighbors with taxes who is eating his "free" lunch?
Maybe you should not be a criminal. Just saying.
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Old 06-04-2016, 01:31 AM
 
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Maybe you should not be a criminal. Just saying.
Fraud is fraud, put them all in jail.

What I'm commenting on here is the notion that if I advocate for lower taxes and less government I should not take advantage of what my taxes are buying.

The post I originally replied to mentioned farm subsidies. Suppose farmer A is advocating for removing subsidies and farmer B wants them. Farmer A is expected to not take advantage of them while helping to pay for farmer B's subsidies?
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Old 06-04-2016, 01:38 AM
 
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Fraud is fraud, put them all in jail.

What I'm commenting on here is the notion that if I advocate for lower taxes and less government I should not take advantage of what my taxes are buying.

The post I originally replied to mentioned farm subsidies. Suppose farmer A is advocating for removing subsidies and farmer B wants them. Farmer A is expected to not take advantage of them while helping to pay for farmer B's subsidies?
What you are saying is that your ethics that something is wrong...has a price.

And what I am saying is that-this is not "taking advantage of' this is "being a criminal"

Not disparaging you by that remark either, mine also have a price. Shrug.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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What you are saying is that your ethics that something is wrong...has a price.
If I'm farmer A I'm left with no choice, the "price" as you put it would be me going out of business because not only am I put at a severe competitive disadvantage I'm paying for the competitions handout.

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And what I am saying is that-this is not "taking advantage of' this is "being a criminal"
I'm not defending the guy that committed medicaid fraud. I've only commented on the post about farm subsidies.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: louisville
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What you are saying is that your ethics that something is wrong...has a price.

And what I am saying is that-this is not "taking advantage of' this is "being a criminal"

Not disparaging you by that remark either, mine also have a price. Shrug.
No he is saying, quite frankly, that everyone bitching about taxes/subsidies/programs offered also use them to their fullest extent.

Problem: the program in question.

Resolution: doing away with all that crap, or directly, simplification (irs, department of education, dhs, agriculture, ... Pretty much all departments).
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The program is not the issue, it is that people try to get their share without the need.


See it all the time through all income levels. Don the Nut is a perfect example, which is why he will never show his tax returns.

People do not want to pay for stuff they believe they do not need, but over time they need all this stuff.
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