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Do you deny the physiological facts that those born male generally have a higher lung capacity, larger bone structure, higher bone density, and leaner muscle structure?
No I do not deny that, but when a man is on hormone therapy for a period of time there are changes, according to the experts. I will re-post these links once again.
Wrong. This is the POC forum. You want to play in this sandbox then politics always comes into play. You don't like it, there's always the Sports forum.
And I find it interesting you chose to quote me instead of the person who originally brought up a political party.
My point was in general the athletic world is more socially progressive then conservative regardless as to it's members aligning themselves with Dems or Repubs. Now if you want to trash Democrats when talking sports, feel free, but know your trashing a lot of athletes and coaches.
It's time to do away with sexually segregated sports and just make one team for each sport. Men and women are equal for all other "standards". This sexism should be eliminated.
No I do not deny that, but when a man is on hormone therapy for a period of time there are changes, according to the experts. I will re-post these links once again.
So do you think the experts are simply incompetent or lying? Do you know more then them? I know I don't.
In the WP article, the trans woman published an article in The Journal of Sporting Cultures and Identities, which I've never heard of, and her study is not available for review unless you pay for it. Was her research peer reviewed? How many subjects were studied? How long was the study? What is the demographic data of the study subjects? One study, regardless, is not valid for proof of anything in the scientific community. Her personal experience is also not science.
The Guardian article you reference is also not a scientific journal and anecdotal.
If you are going to argue the science that a male athlete on female hormones is the same as a female athlete, and not significantly advantaged in women's competitions, please put forward a reputable source for your argument. Feelings or anecdotal evidence is NOT science.
The overwhelming science shows men are different biologically than women. That fact is not controversial.
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? From reading this article I am going to quote something.
"Born a MALE identifies as a FEMALE"
yeah the reason they have male vs female division is for this reason when it comes to sports.
Fair use of biological advantages OVERALL for the sexes.
So A man wins a all female track events and this history? More like cheating.
I totally support transgender people in whatever legitimate goals they pursue - except this. I do believe that this is an inherently unfair advantage.
While it has been many years since my biology classes, I do seem to recall that there is a pretty significant difference between male and female musculature, mass, and mass distribution. Unless basic biology knowledge has changed since my HS days, or unless the sexual reassignment surgery now includes some alteration I have not heard of, then this is indeed an unfair advantage to other women.
If she wants to continue to compete as an athlete, then I would hope that she chooses a sport in which there is no male/female dividing line.
The only alternative I can think of is the abolish the male/female line in all sport, but that certainly would not be fair to the majority of female competitors.
In the WP article, the trans woman published an article in The Journal of Sporting Cultures and Identities, which I've never heard of, and her study is not available for review unless you pay for it. Was her research peer reviewed? How many subjects were studied? How long was the study? What is the demographic data of the study subjects? One study, regardless, is not valid for proof of anything in the scientific community. Her personal experience is also not science.
The Guardian article you reference is also not a scientific journal and anecdotal.
If you are going to argue the science that a male athlete on female hormones is the same as a female athlete, and not significantly advantaged in women's competitions, please put forward a reputable source for your argument. Feelings or anecdotal evidence is NOT science.
The overwhelming science shows men are different biologically than women. That fact is not controversial.
Look, I can't answer your questions. I have been involved with the NCAA for years and trust what they came up with. I will link the 38 page policy if you care to read it. A policy was authored and voted on by their Board of Governors which includes former and current athletes, male and female.
I do not know what policies High School Sports Associations will come up with if any, but if a HS trans athlete does not meet the NCAA guidelines there will be no scholarship offers.
If the NCAA starts to witness a few trans female athletes competing as a women showing over-whelming clear advantages then changes will be made. Over-whelming meaning beating all, and not beating some and losing to others. For now I think the opposition is more out of ignorance, rather then giving it a try and seeing what happens. For the most part the majority of trans athletes will be F2M, and not M2F.
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