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Old 06-19-2016, 05:18 AM
 
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From above.

"Where a person purchases a firearm with the intent of making a gift of the firearm to another person, the person making the purchase is indeed the true purchaser. There is no straw purchaser in these instances.
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching View Post
as soon as she gave it to another person, she did a straw purchase. I have had this explained to me by f-troop agents while in a firearm store.
if you give a firearm to another person in the 1st 30 days after a purchase, you have committed a federal felony of a straw purchase. so said the f-troop agent.
I don't care what some f-troop agent told you, THIS is from the LAW.


http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...f-p-5300-4.pdf

15. STRAW PURCHASES

Questions have arisen concerning the lawfulness of firearms purchases from licensees by persons who use a “straw purchaser” (another person) to acquire the firearms. Specifically, the actual buyer uses the straw purchaser to execute the Form 4473 purporting to show that the straw purchaser is the actual purchaser of the firearm. In some instances, a straw purchaser is used because the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm. That is to say, the actual purchaser is a felon or is within one of the other prohibited categories of persons who may not lawfully acquire firearms or is a resident of a State other than that in which the licensee’s business premises is located.

Because of his or her disability, the person uses a straw purchaser who is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm from the licensee. In other instances, neither the straw purchaser nor the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm.

In both instances, the straw purchaser violates Federal law by making false statements on Form 4473 to the licensee with respect to the identity of the actual purchaser of the firearm, as well as the actual purchaser’s residence address and date of birth. The actual purchaser who utilized the straw purchaser to acquire a firearm has unlawfully aided and abetted or caused the making of the false statements. The licensee selling the firearm under these circumstances also violates Federal law if the licensee is aware of the false statements on the form. It is immaterial that the actual purchaser and the straw purchaser are residents of the State in which the licensee’s business premises is located, are not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms, and could have lawfully purchased firearms from the licensee.

An example of an illegal straw purchase is as follows: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for the firearm. If Mr. Jones fills out Form 4473, he violates the law by falsely stating that he is the actual buyer of the firearm. Mr. Smith also violates the law because he has unlawfully aided and abetted or caused the making of false statements on the form.

Where a person purchases a firearm with the intent of making a gift of the firearm to another person, the person making the purchase is indeed the true purchaser. There is no straw purchaser in these instances. In the above example, if Mr. Jones had bought a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Smith as a birthday present, Mr. Jones could lawfully have completed Form 4473.

The use of gift certificates would also not fall within the category of straw purchases. The person redeeming the gift certificate would be the actual purchaser of the firearm and would be properly reflected as such in the dealer’s records.

This has been explained several time yet you keep posting the same lame claim.

You can post it FOREVER and it won't change the FACTS under the LAW.
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Old 06-19-2016, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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guess what? you are partially correct. the news station and the woman committed the federal felony. the station is the ones that wanted the firearm, and the woman went into the firearms store to purchase the firearm for the news station. this means that both the woman and the owner of the news station should both be charged with federal felonies.
watch the video, the news station had the woman go into the store on their behalf, which is illegal. if she spent her own money, but was reimbursed for the purchase by the station, then a straw purchase was done, and both the woman and the news station owner should both be charged with federal felonies.
Lets simplify this for you.

She bought it legally.
She disposed of it legally.

No further discussion needed.
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Old 06-19-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Awww did the nasty reporter say something you disagreed with? Lets charge her with a felony!

You sound like Trump.

The Felony part will go nowhere. Reporter will say "I bought it with the intent to show how easy it was, afterwards I realized I really didn't want the gun, so I gave it to a federally licensed firearm dealer."
You pass strict laws you get strict enforcement.


Plently of convictions for 'administrative' mistakes, so this reporter needs to feel the full weight of the law.


Remember the guy who had an empty shell casing and was convicted in DC?


"A successful Washington, D.C. businessman with a spotless criminal record is preparing to go to trial for possessing a single, misfired and inoperable shotgun shell in his own home."
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