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I have to agree with this. Vacation time is something you negotiate as part of your salary package. Make yourself valuable and you can negotiate the amount of vacation time you want. If you're not valuable, that's on you to fix.
So if you are born with genes that make is less valued (whether its IQ, work rate, lack of risk taking etc etc) which you had nothing to do with, you should suffer?
Are Americans less valuable then since Americans have much less vacation time than the average of other countries? Or is it rather the case that the donor class have enormous power over the political process in America and they hate the idea of worker's rights?
I have to agree with this. Vacation time is something you negotiate as part of your salary package. Make yourself valuable and you can negotiate the amount of vacation time you want. If you're not valuable, that's on you to fix.
Some folks do not like to be seen as lazy by asking for time off. In corporate America you are trained to look like a team player at all times.
Are you part of corporate america? Is that why you are opposed to generous vacation?
So if you are born with genes that make is less valued (whether its IQ, work rate, lack of risk taking etc etc) which you had nothing to do with, you should suffer?
Are Americans less valuable then since Americans have much less vacation time than the average of other countries? Or is it rather the case that the donor class have enormous power over the political process in America and they hate the idea of worker's rights?
IQ is not a prerequisite for hard work. The majority of employers value hard work in a number of positions.
If you want more vacation time, just negotiate more vacation for less pay.
Every life has value. In addition, not every person has a salaried position. The idea that individuals should not have a few weeks off is ridiculous. When people have time off they become more productive because they are not burnt out and because they become more efficient with the time allotted for working. A Harvard study proves this https://hbr.org/2015/06/are-we-more-...-more-time-off
Overworking has serious effects on our society. It leaves less time for nurturing marriages and making sure children are raised properly. These problems spill over and then we all pay the price.
Every job has a price. While life has value, some jobs don't. I'm a teacher. My job has no value to my employer. My pay has been frozen since I started teaching 8 years ago and will continue to be frozen except for increases in cost of benefits every couple of years. I'm too easily replaced which is why I'm spending my summer "vacation" driving around the state to paid seminars on teaching methods instead of with my family and starting a second job I'll be working year round in August. Some jobs just are not valued. Mine is not. I can't change that. All I can do is work two jobs until I find something else. Just being able to pay my bills working one job with no time off sounds great to me. At least then I'd have evenings and weekends with my family.
It is what it is. Your job is either valued or it is not. If it is you have negotiating power. If it's not, you're on your own. If you're in industry you have the option of moving up. I can't move up so I need to move out. I keep hoping this will be the year I leave the classroom for good.
Last edited by Ivorytickler; 06-20-2016 at 05:55 PM..
Maybe you are corporate America? Is that why you support the no vacation rule?
People here are well-trained by corporate America to expect no more than voluntarily thrown crumbs from their employers. A world where it is expected that companies treat their employees like humans (without having to risk their jobs altogether by begging for it) is just too overwhelming for them to bear.
And I can guarantee you that is factored into pay rates.
Once again, if you want more time off, negotiate more vacation and less pay.
you shouldn't guarantee things like this, you're wrong. Europeans are known for getting extended vacations as is Japan. even China shuts down for a month at a time for their New Year's celebrations.
IQ is not a prerequisite for hard work. The majority of employers value hard work in a number of positions.
If you want more vacation time, just negotiate more vacation for less pay.
IQ is important in high paying professions. Work rate has shown to have a very strong genetic component. Same with risk taking. You have no control over this at all. Why do you want so many people to suffer I have no idea.
Do you think Americans are less valuable than workers of other countries since in the last poll half of all Americans who worked had taken no vacation in the past 12 months. This is the unequal balance of power people face in the labor market. Corporations are a well equipped platoon with all sorts of sanctions and weapons at its disposal while a worker is a lone ranger. The platoon will win 99% of the time in such match-ups. The donor class knows this, and that is why they fund politicians to keep this in place.
Latest poll I saw, only 13% of Americans supported the current system of employers not being required to offer vacation time. But we dont live in a functioning democracy. Public policy is by and large set by the donor class and corporate America, not the people.
People here are well-trained by corporate America to expect no more than voluntarily thrown crumbs from their employers. A world where it is expected that companies treat their employees like humans is just too overwhelming to imagine, probably.
Allegory of the Cave syndrome, in other words.
People are free to start their own company if they so choose.
If you do, be prepared to work a lot more than 40 hours per week and know that you don't get paid vacation.
Most people moaning about how they deserve more will never go in business for themselves, because who would they complain about.
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