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You claimed that Texas brought up the 14th amendment in the court case. Please show the court records to back up your claim. I read the supreme court opinion and didn't see it mentioned at all, so maybe you can show me where it is.
That's because you lack reading comprehension. The Thomas dissent specifically referred to enumerated Constitutional rights.
If you don't know what Constitutional rights are and which ones pertain to this case, that's on you.
But it does explain why so many people have NO clue that the far-reaching consequences of this ruling are extremely detrimental to both state's and women's Constitutional rights: States can no longer enact legislation protecting all, men AND women. And women no longer have the 14th Amendment right to equal protection.
That's because you lack reading comprehension. The Thomas dissent specifically referred to enumerated Constitutional rights.
If you don't know what Constitutional rights are and which ones pertain to this case, that's on you.
But it does explain why so many people have NO clue that the far-reaching consequences of this ruling are extremely detrimental to both state's and women's Constitutional rights: States can no longer enact legislation protecting all, men AND women. And women no longer have the 14th Amendment right to equal protection.
So you can't show where the 14th amendment was mentioned by Texas in the case?
Think very carefully about this: Ambulatory surgery centers have to meet minimum medical and facilities standards, yet abortion centers which perform surgical procedures on women do not. That's a clear violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.
Abortion centers have to meet minimal standards for the performance of abortions. There is no reason for them to have to meet the standards for ambulatory surgery centers that perform more complex surgery, especially since they do not use general anesthesia.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Yeah, well, now we're stuck with this ruling that establishes the horrendous legal precedent that women, exclusively, don't have 14th Amendment equal protection rights anymore.
The 14th Amendment clause of which I speak:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
But SCOTUS just ruled that while ambulatory surgery centers have minimum state-legislated medical and facilities standards they must meet, abortion centers performing surgical procedures on women do not have to meet those standards.
If you are trying to use that argument, it fails because the Texas law deprived many women who were seeking abortion of the option to choose abortion. The Texas law abridged the privileges of women seeking abortion and only women seeking abortion.
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
I do find it quite upsetting that abortion clinics do not have to uphold high standards of sanitation, etc. That's precisely how the clinic in Pennsylvania spread STD's to so many of it's patients. If they were held to the same standards as any other hospital, that would have never happened.
The primary argument in favor of abortion rights has long been that women would seek out illegal unsanitary "chop shops" to get an abortion. There isn't sufficient protection preventing today's legal abortion clinics from being almost as bad and eventually worse.
Abortion centers do have to maintain standards concerning sanitation. They were already regulated prior to the current law. The current law added rules for the physical plant that were totally unneeded and did nothing to add to the protection of women having abortions.
The Texas law would do nothing to prevent any clinic from spreading an infection. Infection control depends on following procedures that can be done anywhere. How did a clinic in Pennsylvania "spread STDs"?
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How hard is using birth control (instead of killing babies) to understand. I just don't get it! How lazy, irresponsible, and selfish can these women be?!
Half the women seeking abortion are using contraception in the month they conceive. Contraceptives can fail. In addition, many of the people who oppose abortion also oppose some of the most effective contraceptives, such as the IUD, by claiming they are abortifacient. They are not.
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Originally Posted by Slowpoke_TX
SCOTUS as ruled that abortion facilities do not have to meet the same sanitation standards that apply to all other surgical facilities - including those facilities where circumcisions are performed. I wonder how the feminists feel about this gender discrepancy?
Pediatricians do circumcisions in their offices. Should every pediatric office have to follow the standards an ambulatory surgery center does?
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And the clinics that DO perform surgical abortions? What are the requirements for those facilities?
Did SCOTUS preserve women's 14th Amendment right to equal protection at those facilities?
SCOTUS preserved women's 14th amendment rights by preventing the state of Texas from placing unreasonable obstacles in the path of women seeking abortion.
3/4 of the states requires well less than half the population.
And you can always do it the way the founding fathers did. Just start over from scratch.
Please explain a scenario where the Constitution could be Amended with less than half of the population of the USA being in favor.
Here's how you amend the Constitution:
Step 1: Congress must propose the Amendment and 2/3 of both houses of Congress must pass it to send it to the states.
Step 2: A minimum of 3/4 of the states have to vote in favor for the proposed Amendment to be ratified.
That's an insanely difficult process -- yet it is the only recourse when the Supreme Court keeps grabbing more and more power for itself. You also have to create an Amendment every single time that the Supreme Court rules on anything. The process takes time, so the SCOTUS ruling will be law for a long time no matter what. At present, the Supreme Court is the most powerful entity in the USA by a huge margin. I for one am not comfortable with that fact. I would rather see them stick to issues that are already in the Constitution, rather than inventing new ones that aren't even mentioned in it.
So you can't show where the 14th amendment was mentioned by Texas in the case?
Reading comprehension matters. What do you think enumerated Constitutional rights means?
The fact remains... SCOTUS just eviscerated states' rights to enact legislation that protects women (10th Amendment). They'll only uphold state legislation that protects men. And women no longer have their 14th right Amendment to equal protection.
Reading comprehension matters. What do you think enumerated Constitutional rights means?
The fact remains... SCOTUS just eviscerated states' rights to enact legislation that protects women (10th Amendment). They'll only uphold state legislation that protects men. And women no longer have their 14th right Amendment to equal protection.
Abortion centers have to meet minimal standards for the performance of abortions. There is no reason for them to have to meet the standards for ambulatory surgery centers that perform more complex surgery, especially since they do not use general anesthesia.
Ambulatory surgery centers don't perform only complex surgery. They perform outpatient surgery, just like the 2 kinds of outpatient surgical abortions performed by abortion centers: suction aspiration abortion, and dilation and evacuation abortion.
SCOTUS clearly violates women's 14th Amendment right to equal protection by allowing women's surgical abortion centers to not have to meet the higher medical and facilities standards every other ambulatory surgery center has to meet. (And note that those ambulatory surgery centers have MALE patients, whereas abortion centers do not. There's very clear gender discrimination evident in this SCOTUS ruling, as well.)
There's no other way to spin this other than the fact that it was a grotesquely misogynistic ruling, eviscerating women's 14th Amendment right to the equal protection of any and every state law, from minimum wage laws to consumer protection laws and everything in between.
No, not just a 'part' the man has 50% of the responsibility and I don't want to hear about 'irresistible urges' or in the 'throes of passion'. Keep your trousers zipped and have sex responsibly and unwanted pregnancies don't happen.
You sound angry. Men being irresponsible does not justify women killing babies.
Although, I understand misogynists won't pick up on that because their mindset simply won't allow it.
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