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Old 07-11-2016, 03:43 PM
 
Location: NJ
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But they won't. They believe it's their right to challenge unlawful acts from LE that violate their basic rights. They believe that they don't need to comply, bow their heads, kowtow to authority figures just to make those agents feel comfortable.

But they damn sure believe YOU should bc you don't deserve those rights. You don't deserve that freedom to defend yourself and demand fair and equal treatment. That type of America is for them, not you.

How else do you explain their vigilance against tyranny and oppressive govt, yet circling the wagons around cops who shoot children, unarmed citizens, and the elderly for not doing exactly what they were told? Isn't that last bit a hallmark of tyranny -- authorities demanding obedience or death?

It's okay. They know what their intention is. It isn't to help you survive the next encounter. It isn't to build up relations between law enforcement and the communities they serve. It's too remind you that the America you want is not for you to enjoy and prosper. It's for them. Your America isn't about freedom, justice, equality. Those things are for them. You just make sure you do what you're told and comply, if you want to survive.

Care for another glass of kool aide from rev wrights lemonade stand?


Why cannot liberals every grasp the concept of appropriateness. It is either or, black and white...a computer program sans artificial intelligence runs that way.


No margins, just absolutes. No thought, no degrees.


Toss in a some deep seated prejudice and well, don't expect anyone to decipher or psychoanalyze what you really mean. The more myths and lies the less credible the rant.
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Old 07-11-2016, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Yes, it indeed can. We as a society should not accept the inevitability of huge judgements against police forces for over stepping their legal actions. If I do something illegal I go to jail. If a police officer does something illegal, the taxpayers pay for it.

If I thought we could change that through peaceful actions I would advocate for that. We are not going to be able to.

If you believe in peaceful changes you better quickly step up things.



There are of course rare instances where society does win. This feeling of being "dissed" is a two way street. The officer who went off on Sandra Bland is the one now facing charges. That all escalated because he felt "dissed". Sorry, but respect is a two way street.
Not sure what you're advocating here but it sounds very close to justification of violence against police.

If you get physical with the police, you are not only stupid but you're putting your life at risk.
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Old 07-11-2016, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The feds aren't ever going to come for anyone's guns unless a person's fear overwhelms him and he does something very stupid with a firearm.

I don't fear the Feds. I fear the guy next door who has far too many guns and is far too worried about stuff that won't ever happen in our civilized society. We are still civilized, and we worked very hard for it. I don't think we are so willing to give that up for a return to savagery anytime soon.

Why? because we all depend on civilization far too much to ever enjoy being savage again. Everything we all do every day depends on civilization and our mutual common good. And we have too often seen the barbarity in other places that comes when civilization collapses.
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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Not sure what you're advocating here but it sounds very close to justification of violence against police.
If you take the time (which I understand why you haven't) you will see I am very non violent. I am speaking about what is going to happen.

We can discuss what is going to happen without supporting it. I do support disruptions, protests, even certain acts of civil disobedience but I do not support anyone getting hurt.

I believe we are capable of avoiding that but we won't.

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If you get physical with the police, you are not only stupid but you're putting your life at risk.
There will be people willing to take that chance. We are seeing it.
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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So, one more time.....should the first responder complied and left the guy laying in the road to go move his vehicle?
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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where did everyone go? Should the responder have simply complied?
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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There is another example I can show. The responder was rewarded with 17k over the actions of the officer. You know who lost here? The guy laying in the street.

So are you saying (I am not accusing, I am asking) that the first responder should have stopped what he was doing and moved his truck because he was not going to win?

Should a person that would arrest a first responder while attending to those laying in the streets actually be a person we allow to have that kind of control?
Answer to question number one is yes, he probably should have moved his truck. That would have prevented him from being arrested and then he could have tended to the injured. Can't do much good in handcuffs.

That said, the first responder should have made a huge deal about this to everyone possible. He should have done everything in his power to get the cop fired.

Answer to question number 2 is that the cop should not be a cop.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:13 PM
 
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Why? because we all depend on civilization far too much to ever enjoy being savage again. Everything we all do every day depends on civilization and our mutual common good. And we have too often seen the barbarity in other places that comes when civilization collapses.
The problem is that people in the US have vastly different views of what the common good is and will fight over it. Anything you name I can come up with an example of how the left and right don't agree about it.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:14 PM
 
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Answer to question number one is yes, he probably should have moved his truck. That would have prevented him from being arrested and then he could have tended to the injured. Can't do much good in handcuffs.

That said, the first responder should have made a huge deal about this to everyone possible. He should have done everything in his power to get the cop fired.

Answer to question number 2 is that the cop should not be a cop.
But he is. That is the big picture problem. He is.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Which is well past simple non compliance. That is what we are talking about.
You didn't say simple non compliance.
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