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Old 08-11-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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It seems like the main justification I hear for keeping the immigrants rolling in, from both the Left and Right in America, is that we're a "nation of immigrants". They point to, for example, the wave of Irish immigrants 100 years ago.

But aren't the circumstances a lot different today?
  • Not as much space. 100 years ago, there was still plenty of land to move to. Now it's all gobbled up, so that more people means pricer housing and propoerty.
  • Not as many jobs. Automation, outsourcing, and so forth have already created a situation where there is a lot of competition for jobs. There is not even enough jobs being created for the native-born Americans entering the working age, and yet we need to bring in more people to compete for the limited number of jobs?
  • Welfare. When the Irish immigrants came, it was work or starve. Nowadays, you come here and you are automatically entitled to tax dollars for not working, to unlimited $$$ for college tuition, to "health care", etc. It's been shown that today's immigrants are taking more in tax dollars than they are paying in tax dollars.
  • Not as easy to assimilate. Since America is such a culuturally divided country, there is no longer a "melting pot." Obviously it was easier for the Irish immigrants since America was 95% Christian, 95% White, 95% watched baseball, 95% spoke English in their homes, etc.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans addressed the issue of workers who lost jobs to foreign countries but they gave lip service. And Democrats want more immigrants which will effectively keep wages low. Crony capitalist gotta love this, Hillary supporters fighting on their behalf.

Donald Trump is the first major presidential candidate to emphasize these issues saying "America First".
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:02 PM
 
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As a legal immigrant myself, I feel....

It is not possible to have this discussion anymore, since one political party benefits overwhelmingly during election time. The party that benefits will never change the rules.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It seems like the main justification I hear for keeping the immigrants rolling in, from both the Left and Right in America, is that we're a "nation of immigrants". They point to, for example, the wave of Irish immigrants 100 years ago.

But aren't the circumstances a lot different today?
  • Not as much space. 100 years ago, there was still plenty of land to move to. Now it's all gobbled up, so that more people means pricer housing and propoerty.
  • Not as many jobs. Automation, outsourcing, and so forth have already created a situation where there is a lot of competition for jobs. There is not even enough jobs being created for the native-born Americans entering the working age, and yet we need to bring in more people to compete for the limited number of jobs?
  • Welfare. When the Irish immigrants came, it was work or starve. Nowadays, you come here and you are automatically entitled to tax dollars for not working, to unlimited $$$ for college tuition, to "health care", etc. It's been shown that today's immigrants are taking more in tax dollars than they are paying in tax dollars.
  • Not as easy to assimilate. Since America is such a culuturally divided country, there is no longer a "melting pot." Obviously it was easier for the Irish immigrants since America was 95% Christian, 95% White, 95% watched baseball, 95% spoke English in their homes, etc.

There wasn't a welfare state 100 years ago.
The entitlement mentality had not been established.
Government only controlled 5% of the economy, not over 55% like today.

People came for the liberty & freedom, not the freebies.
With the freebies came the strings attached, called control, by taking liberties.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:09 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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As a legal immigrant myself, I feel....

It is not possible to have this discussion anymore, since one political party benefits overwhelmingly during election time. The party that benefits will never change the rules.
They will when the people's money that supports them runs out. They're on a slide to destruction and don't even know it. Socialism only works as long as the people paying still have money then the whole country breaks down. We are getting close.

I heard Clinton today praising herself because she wants a $15 minimum wage. How does a $15 minimum wage help anyone when the jobs have been sent overseas?
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:47 PM
 
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That argument doesn't make sense. Same reason draconian religious laws cannot be implemented in modern times. Such statements & memes are used to make people guilty & emotional so that invasion can go on smoothly without any protest from the natives. Why do you need to pay for something your ancestors did?? If your grandparents robbed someone does it mean you deserve to be robbed?
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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People have argued against immigration from the beginning of this country. Benjamin Franklin said the Germans would never assimilate or learn English. It was a stupid argument then and it is a stupid argument now
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:46 AM
 
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Every country is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants a decade ago had to be hardier than those now.
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Old 08-12-2016, 03:33 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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There is still plenty of land. The entire world population can live in an area the size of Texas if there are 25 dwelling units per acre (statistic is from the book "A Country of Cities").
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Old 08-12-2016, 04:11 AM
 
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There is still plenty of land. The entire world population can live in an area the size of Texas if there are 25 dwelling units per acre (statistic is from the book "A Country of Cities").
But who was resources?

Space does not equate to carry capacity.

Well over a billion people live in India, which is roughly 5 times the size of Texas.

They have all kinds of problems due to overpopulation.
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