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Trump never discussed who would pay for the damn wall really? Trump is a liar. The citizens of this country are the ones who are going to pay. Thus, bankrupting this country a la Bush...
Actually, the link you provided, provides the EXACT SAME number that my link does....
The second paragraph, 3rd sentence, says very clearly "that At the same time, ICE removed or returned 235,413 individuals in FY 2015." Can you tell me what my link says for 2015?
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Here we go with the long-winded but say nothing with a shred of reality posts again.
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I lived on the West Coast and saw it myself. I remember the days, when cars were lined up in the morning at every Home Depot and any of such type stores, trying to pick up Mexican workers, it was also, a steady stream of cars all day, looking for Mexican workers for every type of chore one could imagine.
Contractors would send trucks to pick up workers. One thing was certain, any Mexican woman who wanted to work could have a house keepers jobs, not only that, if a person had a Mexican house keeper, they were frequently asking them if they had any friends who wanted to work, and they would do so, as a solicitation to get a house keeper for their friends.
Something funny I watch now, it seems without the Mexican workers, people string out contractor jobs for more than a year and in some cases longer. But when there was an influx of Mexican workers, they'd have those projects built in a matter of months.
LOL, string out contractor jobs for more than a year or longer .. you don't know much about the commercial (or residential) construction field do you?
With the commercial jobs, Corporate hires the general contractors, the general contractors hire subcontractors, the subcontractors hires the workers. Corporate sets a time limit on when the project MUST be done, and it's typically a very short timeline. In building a typical fast food restaurant, from start to finish (from the ground up), it generally takes about 2 to 2 1/2 months. IF the work isn't done by the date that Corporate requires then the general contractor will pay a fine for every day it runs over the time limit. There is no 'stringing out jobs for a year or longer'...even with American citizens doing the work.
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American's like to play "Selective Amnesia".
Yep, you're proof of that.
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I remember when in Los Angeles, the Japanese men had a mass of the Lawn jobs, but those men saved their money, bought homes and sent their kids to college, and they retired comfortably, when that phase changed, the Mexican filled those slots and they too began to save their money, buy homes and open business and send their kids to school. I watched many communities that were once working class and working poor whites, and those community are now owned by Mexican people, and they in some cases have remodeled those communities and they hold the city political position in those cities. They hold many jobs in the department stores, the various doctors and specialist offices and they dominate the fast food industry jobs in California. They take pride in those jobs, where for some reason many American people don't want those jobs, and don't have the same sense of pride in those jobs. Many american people see those jobs as temp, where the Mexican people see those jobs as a means to raise their family and establish their lives.
American people don't want the jobs .. the typical ant-American, pro-illegal and leftist bs spin. YES American citizens want those jobs, they just don't want them for bargain basement wages or for less then minimum wage. The fast food jobs along with the other jobs you mentioned, and even jobs you didn't mention, were normally taken by American citizens -- teens, who began learning work ethics by doing those jobs, by college students, by people who needed a short time second income, by single parents, by divorced or widowed adults, etc.
While some of the jobs mentioned might be considered life long jobs for some citizens, fast food jobs were never career jobs, never were and never meant to be, never, unless one out of the many worked their way up into management.
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I know these things are real, at one point I had a "home enhancement business model",
I seriously doubt that, going off of what you've been spewing on here.
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and the Mexicans who worked could built anything, they did top quality work, I paid them well, because I could not take unfair advantage of them. Most of the people we did work for were high performing professions, who wanted home enhancement services. At one time, I had a room addition, and "one" man, from Central America, did the work, he only got help to lift the rafter up and put in the ceiling dry way. I use to ask him, why not get more help, because I did not want to see him get hurt, knowing his family would suffer if he could not work. I paid him well, because I could not take unfair advantage of him. I often ask him to be careful because as he gets older, he will need his body more than to push himself and become injured or disabled, but he was focused on taking care of his family, and his daughters school. I knew many people who utilized Mexican labor. I had many Mexican friends from the time I moved to California, As well as friends who were of many ethnicities.
There are many Americans would could build anything and do top quality work, one doesn't have to be a Mexican to be able to do that. And yes there are some Americans who do shoddy work, same as with the illegals.
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America could not get enough of Illegal Immigrants, it was a unspoken mass solicitation for them, to fill a vast number of jobs. Even today, many of the Vegetable and Fruits especially before California had a water crisis, these pursuit of seasonal workers was a massive program, even I too remember when Caesar Chavez fought for better conditions and wages for the Seasonal Workers ans those who worked year round in the fields when California was one of the top producers of fruits and vegetables.
Of course some greedy (un)Americans can't have enough illegals, and it's typically those who want to shaft their own countrymen by replacing the American worker with illegals and paying the illegal low wages under the table, which puts more dollars in their own pockets.
Since seasonal H-2A workers are here on visas you cannot put them in the same category as illegals. The H-2A workers are here legally.
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Back in the years prior to the late 1960's and early 1970's people pursued black people to do all the jobs that white people did not want to do. by the late 1970's and certainly by the 1980's people did not want to hire the black people for those jobs, and many black people no longer wanted those jobs, because the system pretended that it would open more opportunity to black people in other areas,
Ah here you go again with that 'jobs people don't want to do' b.s.
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and then came along "outsourcing" !!!!!! Companies began to move off shore, or moving from one State to another state, to avoid taxes and EPA regulatory mandates, but the bulk went for "off shore" Outsourcing. Suddenly, our stores and homes filled up with imported goods, and the only bulk jobs was, "store clerks". When that phase came along, the once well paid Grocery Store Checker, were systematically let go, hours reduced, and ultimately pay reduced, and they filled those jobs with part time positions and school kids. many people who once raised their families on the well paying Grocery Store Clerk jobs, no longer had those jobs, and were left to pursue "re-training".
This is where you say 'Thanks NAFTA and those morons who voted for it' .. yep, Perot was right about the "giant sucking sound" regarding NAFTA.
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By that time, the system found a way to discredit the AA Degree and Down Play the Vocational and Tech Certification and promote the Bachelors Degree as a standard basic for the most simplest jobs, Today, the business of University has duped our system now to discredit the Bachelors degree and promote the Masters Degree. Because to the University it means, "more money" from the previous groups it sold its Bachelors Degree's to. What we have today, is people seeking Master's Degree for jobs, that people with AA Degree's and some with OJT did for Decades. In current day, the Universities have sold so many Masters Degree, now when job hunting, they list all too often requirements of a Masters Degree with the same saturation they use to list "high school diploma".
These are things I witnessed over many years in California and the same existed in many other states that were within proximity of Mexican and Central American Latin immigrants, both legal and illegal.
Yes, there was a down side that came in the 1980's when drugs flooded poor communities, but the drug were imported by the Reagan Administration and shuttled right to the poor communities, the result was gang proliferation and many other things, that impacted all groups of people. It was more devastation to the poor communities, because they had no means to break free from the grips of drugs. The well to do had medical coverage to get treatment, and when Suburbia got clean, the drug rehabs centers closed up, and it became more difficult for people to get treatments. Instead they got, Incarcerations.
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As to Hillary,
I personally don't care about the drama around Emails, because in systems anyone should be aware that "people talk", by many means about many things, and some people do worst things by their face to face exchanges than they would propose in emails. IF that's the best Republican got, its very weak, only the drama of Trump and Republican Spins try and make emails more than it actually is.
Of course you don't care about the emails .. what leftist anti-American pro-illegal cares that Hillary did wrong. Since she had top secret emails on that server, which named US operatives and where they were, one has to wonder how many of those operatives had been killed because of her. But since it's so top secret we will never know.
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Trump talks like he will be made "King Trump", or "Dictator Trump", as if we have no congress and as if we have not organizational systems. He is being made to grow up every time he spews all this stuff, when reality dawns on him, that these "King Trump" claims are not practical and certainly not realistic.
LOL, whatta load of b.s. I guess that view from a leftist anti-American pro-illegal comes naturally when they look at their bought and paid for, by some of the evilest people in the world, queen ... so naturally they wrongly think that others are like her.
Please tell me that since you're anti-American, when Trump wins you'll be moving to Mexico or to the ME.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with immigrants who come here the right way. There is everything wrong with the illegals .. build the wall and toss out the illegals!!!
Blacks will vote Democrat. Latinos and Hispanics is a toss up, but more probably towards democrats.. Trying to win the hearts and minds of freeloaders is hard.
Please don't drink the Jim Jones Punch If someone had spiked it with poison , bad things will surely shortly follow.
Both AA and Latinos will vast Majority vote DEMO...
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