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Old 09-08-2016, 05:12 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Both of your sources are from corporate right wing groups. "Stand for Children/Stand.org" appears to be child welfare oriented group but in fact they are connected to corporate right wing groups.
For or Against Children


The republican issue of privatizing schools is not for the benefit of children, but rather its connected to a broader republican plan to privatize the Post Office, Public libraries, prisons, Social Security, ex.ex. The republicans want to privatize these government agencies to transfer their funding to corporate America and Wall Street.

And groups like your first source don't just focus on children. They also focus on things like union-busting (because unions cause higher worker wages and higher worker wages directly lower corporate profits.)
Tracking the money funding conservative school boards


But then other countries privatize some of their government agencies and many non-corporate groups believe Charter Schools are a good thing. But Charter schools (even outside of republican corporate hands) have downsides.


"#1 Charter Schools are NOT Public Schools... Public Schools are Child Centered... Charter Schools are Profit Centered."

"#2 Charter schools siphon off money from public schools. The whole point of charter schools is to use tax payer money to increase corporate profits."

"#3 Charter Schools are NOT Non-profits. Instead the need to make a profit makes them much more expensive than comparable public schools."

ex.ex.

https://weaponsofmassdeception.org/3...-harm-children


I fully concede that US government agencies are inefficient. And I concede that America's public schools could be much, much better. But then some/many public schools in America are first class (like those in Lafayette, La.)

The bottom line is republican plans to privatize schools are connected to a broader corporate agenda. Like abolishing the EPA so they can no longer fine and regulate corporations, or abolishing the "Occupational Safety and Health Act" so its cheaper to run factories, or abolishing the "Consumer Product Safety Commission" to lower corporate expenses.

What Do the Koch Brothers Want? - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont


Personally I believe that Charter schools could be a good thing especially in poverty stricken areas (but I don't want a republican corporate agenda anywhere around it.)

 
Old 09-08-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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It screws over the worst students.
Yes, who tend to be the worst because they have bad parents. Who tend to skew towards the poor.

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That is what competition does. It separates the goats from the sheep
For children, yes. Competition separates them.

While it's always in an individual parents' interest to see that his or her child gets the best education possible, I would say that it isn't in society's best interests to segregate out children whose parents do not care, or do not know any better.

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Equalism destroys humanity itself.
Perhaps in the most extreme manifestations, like you might read about in a science fiction novel, yes. But "equalism" hardly describes our present state.

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The left whines that some of the better students go to the charter school, especially those that have parents to try to get them there. Yeah, we need to make it so the orphaned from parents dying on dope do just as well.
Well they won't do as well, and you can't expect them to. But concentrating them together and isolating them from middle or upper-middle class norms is to actively make their problems worse.

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See the left is happy that a good student has to be in a gang infested school with union employees and blends in with the idiots, unable to distinguish themselves. Its all more equal this way.
Public sector unions are actually illegal where I live.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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Except their pupil are choosen randomly and are overwhelmingly minority. Except that in NYC minority means majority, i.e., their pupils and applicants are overwhelmingly black and Hispanic.
That random lottery is something you have to sign up for so only involved parents will do so in the first place. Special ed students somehow don't win the random lottery either. Then the school can "counsel out" kids they don't want to deal with.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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Grade fixing, access to tests are common practices in public school districts all across the country. Especially in urban ones.

NYC public schools got staff standardized test removed from staff evaluations and replaced with "life outcomes". i.e., nothing
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Standardized tests do not prove a teacher's worth. And you are totally off and misrepresenting the "life outcomes".
 
Old 09-08-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not all not even half do that and if they put students 2nd then why are students doing BETTER at charter schools? Its simple. The teachers can be fired if the students don't learn. Can't do that so easy at a public school


Why do you say that? Its school CHOICE but its very words it means ANY parent can CHOOSE to send their child somewhere.
1. Charter schools usually don't have to take everybody like the public schools do. You have a very elitist attitude.

2. You can fire or otherwise get rid of bad teachers. As a retired principal, I did. More than once.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I forgot one of the liberal policies, better to drag EVERYONE down than let some succeed.
Yes, we know. You want the elite to succeed. We get that.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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1. Charter schools usually don't have to take everybody like the public schools do. You have a very elitist attitude.

2. You can fire or otherwise get rid of bad teachers. As a retired principal, I did. More than once.
Hard to fire and get rid of etc with a union involved. I know all about it my mother is a retired teacher.I don't care if the charter schools take everyone or not its their personal choice.The educational scores show charter schools are better for ALL kids involved. The left merely wants little drones controlled by a dumbed down agenda.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Funny thing is. I started this thread 2 days ago? Yesterday I found a book called Conform:Exposing the truth about common core and public education by Glenn Beck


Weird how things intersect with one another. Glenn Beck is an idiot and I can't stand him but he writes a few decent books.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Hard to fire and get rid of etc with a union involved. I know all about it my mother is a retired teacher.I don't care if the charter schools take everyone or not its their personal choice.The educational scores show charter schools are better for ALL kids involved. The left merely wants little drones controlled by a dumbed down agenda.
You can't point to a school who takes select kids and compare their results to a school which takes all kids.

And again, take it from an actual principal, if there's a teacher who needs to be fired, and the administrator is doing his or her job, it can be done with little problem.
 
Old 09-08-2016, 10:38 PM
 
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Yes, we know. You want the elite to succeed. We get that.
You want everyone and everything dumbed down for so called "equality".
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