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Old 09-14-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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1) Term limits
2) End gerrymandering
3) Vote Libertarian

1) Term limits
2) End gerrymandering
3) End lobbying
4) If one was a lawyer, they cannot run for an elected seat.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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What exactly "needs fixing"? The present system rewards so many in America that it will never be changed, nor will it ever be fair, or just, or even democratic, it doesn't HAVE TO BE any different than it is now for the winners to win, and change would only allow some justice for the (rest of us) losers. How can so many people miss the fact that we in America have a very high standard of living, and at the highest reaches of that standard we see the very wealthy doing just fine, they aren't angry, they aren't jobless, they aren't hurt by lopsided trade agreements, nor are they upset that millions are.

Once you see the "system" as the provider of all that blinging in America's high rolling population you can understand the high rollers craving for more, not less government, more government has fostered that wealth that the top two or three percent enjoy, why would they want change? That is the question, and it is also the answer to that nagging suspicion that all our politics is rigged to achieve the very thing we (the majority) don't want. One thing is very clear, under Donald or Hilary we will see the same business as usual for America's promise shouting presidents, another eight years of hope, and NO change.
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I would like cats if they would only bark.

The only thing you can do is try to government to yhe minimal and i do not know how you do that. Lord knows the FFs tried.
Besides the primary philosophical reasons for being against the state, this is a big practical reason why. If the seed is there at all, it will grow. Even if we got back to a minimal state, the cycle would just repeat. A relatively free society produces a lot of wealth, and politicians weasel around and convince people that they can solve all kinds of problems if people give them some of that wealth and control.

The only way to prevent that is by removing the root cause...the belief in political authority. As long as people still believe we need rulers to decide how our money is used, or that they can use the threat of force to make society what it "should" be, there will never be lasting freedom.
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Old 09-14-2016, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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1) Term limits
2) End gerrymandering
3) Vote Libertarian
I don't think that pot and anything-goes marrying are going to save us.......just sayin'
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Old 09-14-2016, 09:26 PM
 
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What we really need is a full-reset. It would be very ugly at first, no doubt. Then get back to being a true Constitutional republic. We've been feeding the beast for about 100 years.
Agreed. The current system can't be fixed as is. . A full reboot is necessary.
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Old 09-14-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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1) Term limits
2) End gerrymandering
3) Vote Libertarian
1) This requires voting for a lot of the right people, and that is far easier said than done. Even then, just because term limits are reached does not mean all of our problems will suddenly be far easier to solve.

2) Ending gerrymandering is sort of the same as creating term limits. It's an improvement, but not a promise that things will stay improved for very long.

3) Once the Libertarian party becomes a viable third party, it's naive to assume that it won't become as corrupt as the other two parties.
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