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Old 09-26-2016, 04:54 PM
 
Location: USA
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i'm pretty sure laws will be followed, he's not suggesting to break current laws.
Considering how many of his bigoted followers would like to rewrite the laws, I would not depend upon them to keep people safe. As much as I hate to bring up the specter of Nazi Germany, with Trump it's fair game considering his proposals and the level of bigotry he and his supporters encourage. The horrors that happened there were originally illegal. Laws can be changed, and there's a frightening chunk of this nation that so badly wants to put "those people back in their place," get rid of anyone of differing religions, send gays off to re-education camps, and so forth. And Trump promises to deliver, with jackboots frisking random citizens (and I am sure they won't target certain races, religions, etc. Right...), religious tests for citizenship, and gutting the First Amendment when it comes to being allowed to speak out against the rich.

It is simply inexcusable at this point to support Trump or pretend to not see the horrors his supporters want to bring to this nation. Even if Trump fails to act on his ghastly campaign promises, a vote for him is a vote for tyranny and bigotry.
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Old 09-26-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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Why is resisting the police equated to dignity and being shot dead not so?

Resisting the police is like lying to an FBI agent, that act having nothing to do with the initial incident is a violation of law all by itself, there is no dignity in it?

How many young black men kill each other because of a turf battle or an insult? This happens with hispanics too where being "disrespected" can mean killing someone.

Resisting arrest is not dignity, it is a violation of the law. Resisting arrest is not civil disobediance because if anyone is injured, even slightly, it goes from resisting to assault in about a second.
Not if you are being arrested for unlawful reasons.

Brooklyn DA Drops Charges Against Mailman Who "Resisted Arrest": Gothamist
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Old 09-26-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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It isn't so much Trump's sensational rhetoric, it's the familiarity with another historic figure and the possibility of repeating history. It sounds eerily familiar.

From: The History Place - Rise of Hitler: Germans Elect Nazis

Hitler offered something to everyone: work to the unemployed; prosperity to failed business people; profits to industry; expansion to the Army; social harmony and an end of class distinctions to idealistic young students; and restoration of German glory to those in despair. He promised to bring order amid chaos; a feeling of unity to all and the chance to belong. He would make Germany strong again; end payment of war reparations to the Allies; tear up the treaty of Versailles; stamp out corruption; keep down Marxism; and deal harshly with the Jews.


this is just offensive. its disgusting.




you are disgusting for suggesting such.
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Old 09-26-2016, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Not really terrorism, but ok. So you're talking about a few blocks in 1 city as something that's a problem for a whole race? Statistics and a declining crime rate may disagree with you.
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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Why is resisting the police equated to dignity and being shot dead not so?

Resisting the police is like lying to an FBI agent, that act having nothing to do with the initial incident is a violation of law all by itself, there is no dignity in it?

How many young black men kill each other because of a turf battle or an insult? This happens with hispanics too where being "disrespected" can mean killing someone.

Resisting arrest is not dignity, it is a violation of the law. Resisting arrest is not civil disobediance because if anyone is injured, even slightly, it goes from resisting to assault in about a second.
Being frisked for nothing is tyranny. African Americans will resist it. They must resist it. We aren't gonna put up with a policy that violates our rights, and worse, doesn't subject whites to the same scrutiny.

If that's assault, too bad. With enough resistance, we'll put it to an end.

Yeah, there'll be violence, but both sides will be the recipients of it. That I promise you.
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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It's a negotiating technique, like making a opening offer of more than you're actually willing to pay or setting a price that is higher than what you are willing to take. Scott Adams (the Dilbert guy) calls what Trump is doing "pacing and leading".
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:09 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Not really terrorism, but ok. So you're talking about a few blocks in 1 city as something that's a problem for a whole race? Statistics and a declining crime rate may disagree with you.
if you want to deny that this is a problem, be my guest...

8 Killed, 43 Wounded In Chicago Weekend Shootings « CBS Chicago

Shootings -- Crime in Chicagoland -- chicagotribune.com

Be sure to look at the map in that 2nd link.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Being frisked for nothing is tyranny. African Americans will resist it.
Are you somehow claiming that African-Americans never board planes at airports? If they do, they're stopped and searched, simple as that. Where's the outrage? Where's the resistance?
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:15 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'll add that as a former Chicagoan, I've seen plenty of African-Americans stopped and searched at O'Hare. None of them objected. None of them resisted.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:16 PM
 
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Are you somehow claiming that African-Americans never board planes at airports? If they do, they're stopped and searched, simple as that. Where's the outrage? Where's the resistance?
Put stop and frisk where you live first. That's all I've gotta say about it.
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