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i'm pretty sure laws will be followed, he's not suggesting to break current laws.
The 4th Amendment is a law, and stop and frisk is contrary to the 4th Amendment. The 4th Amendment is higher than any law that Donald Trump could pass as President. Thus, if he were to institute stop and frisk, he would be breaking the law.
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It doesn't matter if he 'doesn't care', what matters is that he do something to mitigate the problem.
Stop and frisk can take on many iterations, some unconstitutional and some not.
Trump can't pass a law that is against the constitution, so why worry.
Liberal trap to argue extremes and ignore degrees of moderation.
Stop and Frisk can be in several flavors.
As stated, the mass slaughter of inner city blacks and whites, mostly blacks, is the stuff of international concern and you'd have a protocol proven to work, not used????
It is obvious to all that gun laws piled on gun laws are ineffective and the wrong path to take to stop the slaughter.
If BLM was in the least serious about black deaths, they 'd call for a boycott on killing blacks by other blacks. Too bad BLM is now part of the problem and not the solution.
Please, name a "flavor" of stop and frisk that is constitutional. The Supreme Court has been quite clear about this: police need a reason to detain someone--that reason has to be that the police officer can articulate facts that give the officer reason to believe that person has committed a crime. If the officer has no reason to believe someone committed a crime, the officer can't stop that person under the 4th Amendment (or frisk them). NYC stopped and frisked millions of people (mostly black and latino men) with no cause whatsoever. A district court judge rightly found that practice unconstitutional.
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Here is the problem. We need to quench the violence that is in our inner cities. Attacking the 2A isn't going to help, so what other plans can we do ? Where were all these people screaming "fascist" when the Patriot Act was passed ?
Come up with a better solution, the problem is there isn't an easy one that won't violate someone's rights.
A lot of people did (and continue to) argue that the Patriot Act was wrong and unconstitutional.
Why do you think that "attacking" the 4th Amendment is better than "attacking" the 2nd? Of course, background checks (Hillary's gun control proposal) are not unconstitutional.
And note that Donald Trump is also arguing that we should take people's guns away during these stop and frisks, even if they haven't committed a crime. So he wants to break both the 2nd & 4th.
Here is the problem. We need to quench the violence that is in our inner cities. Attacking the 2A isn't going to help, so what other plans can we do ? Where were all these people screaming "fascist" when the Patriot Act was passed ?
Come up with a better solution, the problem is there isn't an easy one that won't violate someone's rights.
We need more guns in the cities? Gun control has worked rather well in NY and LA, not so much in Chicago. Gun control isn't an attack on the 2nd amendment although there is no shortage of people that will take it as such.
Yes where are all those 2nd amendment types who love the constitution but fail to address the other amendments. Several hundred gun control threads a year, where are those same people when it comes to the Patriot Act. Missing in action.
No, Mexicans aren't sending suicide bombers over, but the death brought by their drugs and gangs kill even more people.
In all fairness, the drugs and the associated crime is there because Americans are eagerly providing a market. I'd say law-abiding Mexicans have as much of a reason to be unhappy with the behavior of Americans as the other way around.
The black radicals who complain about the "militarization" of American police also repeatedly attacked Rudy Giuliani for this when he was mayor.
I guess the NYPD could have been perceived as "militarized" but Giuliani saved hundreds if not thousands of black lives when he dramatically cut down New York's homicide rate. The BLM movement has directly contributed to many of the additional black deaths in Baltimore and Chicago this year.
Israeli military and police stops and frisks Arabs and Muslims on the streets and it is part of their effective anti-terrorism strategy.
We are not Israel. Israel does not have the 4th amendment. We do. The USA has the 4th amendment. Stop and Frisk is a violation of the 4th amendment. Live Free or Die is the motto I have. Why should I be willing to having my 4th amendment rights violated?
In all fairness, the drugs and the associated crime is there because Americans are eagerly providing a market. I'd say law-abiding Mexicans have as much of a reason to be unhappy with the behavior of Americans as the other way around.
Before the Mexican cartels it was the Colombian cartels wreaking the country.
America is the only country that has tried (and failed) to stop their drug problem by going after the source rather than the demand. Stop the demand and you stop the problem.
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