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Old 10-17-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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I'm not saying higher education isn't important - I think it's critical. My point is that society has done one or two generations a huge disservice by pointing almost all kids towards academic higher education instead of vocational higher education.

Jobs requiring a college degree are much easier to outsource than a plumber, HVAC technician or mechanic. How many parents know that quality heavy diesel mechanics are almost certain to be earning 6 figures? And yet those positions are hard to fill.
I don't know that our college degreed are more easily outsourced. Depends on the line of work. Of course many with vague liberal arts degrees might not have a solid direction.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:31 AM
 
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Who would buy American products?

An "All-American" made iPhone would cost around $2,000.

https://www.marketplace.org/2014/05/...an-iphone-cost

People complain about manufacturing jobs leaving the U.S., but then say they prefer lower prices to paying a premium for "Made in America" items. You can't have it both ways.

Poll: Americans prefer low prices to items 'Made in the USA' - Chicago Tribune
No you cannot, and that's the conundrum I don't think Trump can correct. So many things that we all purchase will cost more, so that more former blue collar industrial laggers get jobs or raises. How to redistribute to the lagging industries and workers? It will take much time and negotiation at the governmental and business levels.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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No you cannot, and that's the conundrum I don't think Trump can correct. So many things that we all purchase will cost more, so that more former blue collar industrial laggers get jobs or raises. How to redistribute to the lagging industries and workers? It will take much time and negotiation at the governmental and business levels.
And isn't what Trump is calling for socialism? We would in effect be picking the winners and losers. Why should I be forced to pay $250 for an iPhone screen protector so some guy in Ohio can have a job?
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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And isn't what Trump is calling for socialism? We would in effect be picking the winners and losers. Why should I be forced to pay $250 for an iPhone screen protector so some guy in Ohio can have a job?
No other way but to pick different winners and losers through redistribution. So the answer should be easy if you have been a loser.

If I were King I would not redistribute so much as to centrally augment or support the losers through central programs. HC would be one biggie.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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After a few years the lawyer will be making $100/hr or more and the tradesman will still be making $25/hr or less and the lawyer will get more respect from society. The latter is the most important factor.
This really could stand to be stressed more. Bring back respect for the blue collar, please. This is not done by treating tradesmen as a wetware component necessary to run their machine. Unions need to make a comeback - the Republican party used to be pro-union, before it became a vessel to assist billionaires gather more billions.

Also, the lawyer's progression is by no means secure. Some will reach the $100/hr level, many won't.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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This really could stand to be stressed more. Bring back respect for the blue collar, please. This is not done by treating tradesmen as a wetware component necessary to run their machine.
There's already tremendous respect for the blue collar. There is no shortage of work for master electricians, skilled artisans, brick masons, HVAC engineers, iron workers, etc. in urban cores around the nation. Business is booming.

Now if you want to make widgets, that's a different story.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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This really could stand to be stressed more. Bring back respect for the blue collar, please. This is not done by treating tradesmen as a wetware component necessary to run their machine. Unions need to make a comeback - the Republican party used to be pro-union, before it became a vessel to assist billionaires gather more billions.

Also, the lawyer's progression is by no means secure. Some will reach the $100/hr level, many won't.
$100/hr is a cheap lawyer.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I'm not saying higher education isn't important - I think it's critical. My point is that society has done one or two generations a huge disservice by pointing almost all kids towards academic higher education instead of vocational higher education.

Jobs requiring a college degree are much easier to outsource than a plumber, HVAC technician or mechanic. How many parents know that quality heavy diesel mechanics are almost certain to be earning 6 figures? And yet those positions are hard to fill.

I agree. In addition, a lot of kids got degrees in things that would make it pretty tough to land a job unless they went on to get an advanced degree, which I view as important in some fields, depending on your goals, but also not meant for everyone.

Two other things prevent college graduates from getting jobs. The first is they didn't try and land a job in their field while still in school, and the second one is they live in rural areas and leave their address on their resume.

They're competing with young people who have two years of experience by the time they graduate, which can make them less valuable, so they should at least make an effort to find something in their field. And they should remove their address from their resume because out of state applicants are sometimes automatically disqualified.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I don't know that our college degreed are more easily outsourced. Depends on the line of work. Of course many with vague liberal arts degrees might not have a solid direction.
Many of the I.T., R & D, and financial functions are being offshored now.
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Old 10-17-2016, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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"If you build it, they will come"

Don't let the naysayers stop the movement.
Sorry to be the bearer of the news but most of the blue collar labor jobs will NEVER come back. Robots are cheaper, and so business will use most cost effective methods of production!

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