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Old 10-27-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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"The allegations dominated an EU summit, with Mrs Merkel demanding a full explanation and warning that trust between allies could be undermined. She discussed the matter by phone with US President Barack Obama. He assured her that her calls were not being monitored now and that it would not happen in future. But the White House did not deny bugging her phone in the past."
The conversation probably went something like this:

"Mr. President, we both know that it's all part of the game and we collaborate on countless secret surveillance programs, but now that it's out in the open I have no choice but to feign outrage and chastise you. Consider yourself chastised, LOL."
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The government did not spy on me. The telcos gave the government access to the same database that they use to bill customers: Phone Number W called phone Number X at Y o'clock and the call lasted for Z minutes. That essentially anonymous and harmless information sat there until a terrorist's phone was captured somewhere in the world. The database would then be searched to find out who he had called and who that person had called, in an attempt to map out a cell of a terrorist organization. Then those phones would be subject to further investigation and any of them which belonged to American citizens would need the proper warrants, etc.


There is absolutely zero evidence that every American's phone calls are being recorded; it would be almost impossible to do so. The laws are very clear, so while the NSA is allowed to listen in on foreign traffic, it can't do so for domestic traffic.

As for tracking and recording Internet histories, how do you think Google makes their money? And anyone who uses Siri, Amazon's Alexa, or any other voice assistant, should think twice about allowing their phones and TVs to monitor every word that's said in their houses before worrying about the NSA.
The telcos gave government access because they were required to, or because they were paid to do so.

You're very delusional if you think the certain government agencies like the NSA operate within the law. The entire premise of these organizations is to do things under the radar in a grey area. Remember, this is the same government responsible for Project MK Ultra, Tonkin Gulf incident, and the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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What he did is treasonous. If he felt what he did was right why did he run? Because he also knew he was wrong?
This is where I, as a Conservative, part ways with the Republicans. Our government is being revealed as very treasonous, and I believe that what Snowden did was a good thing. Between him and Assange and other whistle blowers, this information we NEED to know. We NEED to keep our government accountable. We NEED to get rid of those who are corrupt and will sell us down the river for a payment.

These people knowingly put their lives on the line to tell the American people just how f-ed and corrupt their lying government is. The whole entire core of being a Conservative is understanding that the government does not run us, WE run the government, and if WE don't like what the government is doing, WE get rid of them. If we have people who are doing what they can to hide the truth from us, and we have individuals who are trying to reveal to the people the truth, I will always side with those who will try to reveal the truth. The government has a lot to lose....they lose their cushy jobs, they lose their pay offs, they lose their establishment comfort. The individuals who tell the crowd that the Emperor is wearing no clothes can lose their life. NOT because it's "treasonous", but because the government does not like people who pull that veil back and reveal their lies.

Think about all of those people that the Clintons knew, or worked in some capacity for the Clinton dynasty who are now dead. From some intern to a member of the UN....it makes me question why anyone is afraid of the truth.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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What he did is treasonous. If he felt what he did was right why did he run? Because he also knew he was wrong?
He stabbed the wrong.

Are you hurting over it?
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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So I should be able to shoot him and get away with it because two wrongs make a right.

He violated black letter law as a contractor.

Sooner or later Hillary will have to run.
Stabbing Hillary is stabbing a wrong.
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