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Old 11-09-2016, 03:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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It's pretty clear that frustration with globalization helped propel Trump to victory. Rust Belt battleground states like Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania went for Trump.

Is globalization over? Is globalization a failed experiment?

If the benefits of globalization really had "lifted all boats" instead of enriching only a tiny jet-setting global elite, would it have worked?

 
Old 11-09-2016, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Not over and Trump is just window dressing.

Finding a more "honorable way" to embrace collectivism isn't a liberty lover's cup of tea.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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Not over and Trump is just window dressing.

Finding a more "honorable way" to embrace collectivism isn't a liberty lover's cup of tea.
What does globalization have to do with "collectivism"?
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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**** globalism
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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It benefits the elite but the elite are a very SMALL percentage. So Yes its a failed experiment. When only a fraction of society benefit, you won't have much longevity with that. Theres still more honest, hard working americans than there are Silver Spoon elitists.

Democrats shifted too far from their core values and became what they ultimately wanted to get rid of.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's pretty clear that frustration with globalization helped propel Trump to victory. Rust Belt battleground states like Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania went for Trump.

Is globalization over? Is globalization a failed experiment?

If the benefits of globalization really had "lifted all boats" instead of enriching only a tiny jet-setting global elite, would it have worked?

The League of Nations was rejected 100 years ago. Then the global ruling class got us into the United nations. This body immediately wanted to set policy in the USA. The Constitution firmly standing in the way.

They have used the appointments to the supreme court to nibble and nibble and the Bill of Rights until it is a mere skeleton of it's former glory. Only the 1st amendment is left to scar, with legislation.

Since Obama got into office and the direction was recognized the direction he wished to take us and the damage to liberty he wished to force on us, brought us an immediate recall in the 2010 mid-terms.

Each cycle of voting since, has brought a push against the machine.

Brexit and now FedExit has now been the people demanding a change from a central global power, dictating what is best for them.
Freedom and individuality, are the cornerstones of Liberty.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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What does globalization have to do with "collectivism"?

Seriously?

A collective of the State, compared to national individualism. A one central ruler to the world. The collectivist utopia
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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Seriously?

A collective of the State, compared to national individualism. A one central ruler to the world. The collectivist utopia
I've never heard the term "collectivism" used in that manner before.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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It's pretty clear that frustration with globalization helped propel Trump to victory. Rust Belt battleground states like Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania went for Trump.

Is globalization over? Is globalization a failed experiment?

If the benefits of globalization really had "lifted all boats" instead of enriching only a tiny jet-setting global elite, would it have worked?
No, not as long as we have any kind of economy at all.

If people voted for Trump because they really think he could end globalization, they will be bitterly disappointed. He can't. (Assuming he wants to, and I don't believe for a second that he actually does, since he's made a lot of money off it.)

Now a worldwide plague that brings about TEOTWAWKI would end globalization. But I hardly think that's what Trump supporters have in mind.

The US could - and in my opinion should - have done more to help the folks who are slowly becoming unwanted on the market - but I'm not a free market fundamentalist as so many on the right are. Plenty of them still object to even such minimal protections as the minimum wage. Not saying that the minimum wage is a panacea, but it's part of a comprehensive social safety net.
 
Old 11-09-2016, 04:28 PM
 
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No, not as long as we have any kind of economy at all.

If people voted for Trump because they really think he could end globalization, they will be bitterly disappointed. He can't.

Now a worldwide plague that brings about TEOTWAWKI would end globalization. But I hardly think that's what Trump supporters have in mind.
Judging by the euphoria of the Trump supporters here, they seem to believe that Trump will end globalization and bring back the "glory days" of the 50s and 60s when America was still protectionist.

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The US could - and in my opinion should - have done more to help the folks who are slowly becoming unwanted on the market - but I'm not a free market fundamentalist as so many on the right are. Plenty of them still object to even such minimal protections as the minimum wage. Not saying that the minimum wage is a panacea, but it's part of a comprehensive social safety net.
Yes, it's comical to see working class people voting for a free-market fundamentalist ideology that wants to eliminate all labor protections. It's bizarre.
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