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Old 06-10-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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Imagine for a moment.

The science and technology exists today to make this happen.

Take sperm from a homosexual man, and combine it with an egg from a lesbian woman.

Incubate it in a female surrogate until she gives birth.

This is the way to find out if homosexuality is genetic.

__________________________________________________ ___________

I wonder if such an experiment can be done.

After the child is born raise it in a "neutral" home absent of religious dogma and outside social pressures for gender identification until age 5 (when they start kindergarden), and see if a natural born male child gravitates toward female gender associated things, or if a female child gravitates toward male typical gender association.

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Your thoughts?
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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This is the way to find out if homosexuality is genetic.
This is a fallacy.

Furthermore, there are already people walking this very earth who were conceived from sperm from a gay male and egg from a lesbian. The two people I actually know who were born from such a union, and raised by a lesbian couple, are heterosexual. I don't think it "proves" anything, nor do they (the subject has come up more than once).
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Old 06-10-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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Yeah, for this to have any hope of determining anything, it would have to be a VERY carefully controlled experiment (one problem I can see immediately is the question of how you would really know for sure the sexual tendencies of the parents; you can't be absolutely sure they're telling the truth if you depend on them to tell you which side of the plate they bat from), conducted over time, involving many such offspring. To base your results on one child, or even a few, would tell you no more than you'd learn by looking at the eye color of a child from two brown-eyed parents and concluding that this will always be the eye color of children of brown-eyed parents.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:27 AM
 
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Yes, lesbians quite frequently recruit gay men to donate sperm for insemination.

In addition, studies have already been conducted that indicate that children raised by gay men are more likely to be gay or bisexual than children raised by heterosexual couples.
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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Imagine for a moment.

The science and technology exists today to make this happen.

Take sperm from a homosexual man, and combine it with an egg from a lesbian woman.

Incubate it in a female surrogate until she gives birth.

This is the way to find out if homosexuality is genetic.

__________________________________________________ ___________

I wonder if such an experiment can be done.

After the child is born raise it in a "neutral" home absent of religious dogma and outside social pressures for gender identification until age 5 (when they start kindergarden), and see if a natural born male child gravitates toward female gender associated things, or if a female child gravitates toward male typical gender association.

========================================

Your thoughts?
You do know that this is not how genetics work. Even if we assume there is a gene marker for homosexuality, which I doubt. A couple with brown eyes can have three kids, one with blue eyes, one with green eyes and another with brown eyes.
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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Imagine for a moment.

The science and technology exists today to make this happen.

Take sperm from a homosexual man, and combine it with an egg from a lesbian woman.

Incubate it in a female surrogate until she gives birth.

This is the way to find out if homosexuality is genetic.

__________________________________________________ ___________

I wonder if such an experiment can be done.

After the child is born raise it in a "neutral" home absent of religious dogma and outside social pressures for gender identification until age 5 (when they start kindergarden), and see if a natural born male child gravitates toward female gender associated things, or if a female child gravitates toward male typical gender association.

========================================

Your thoughts?
Genetic is not the same as born that way. Genetic sounds like you inherit it, which I have never heard of. It is highly possible and even probable IMO that it develops in the womb as the egg is fertilized and then develops into either a male or female. My personal opinion is something goes awry in that process, and it doesn't become fully female or fully male, but a blend of sorts between them.
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Old 01-29-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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Genetic is not the same as born that way. Genetic sounds like you inherit it, which I have never heard of. It is highly possible and even probable IMO that it develops in the womb as the egg is fertilized and then develops into either a male or female. My personal opinion is something goes awry in that process, and it doesn't become fully female or fully male, but a blend of sorts between them.
Once an egg is fertilized, whether the egg will develope into an anatomical male or female is immediate. The chromosomes available in the egg and sperm cell dictate this. Its true that the actual release of the simple acid that causes the fetus to develop into a male is not immediately released, but the release of that acid is already determined by the composition of the two reproductive cells. There are some exceptions where there are anatomical anomolies that were traditionally caused birth defects, but other than situations with such anomolies, all fertilized eggs can only develope as either anotomically male or female and there is no chance for either. The composition of the cells has already dertermined this. Now how zygote and fetal development impacts sexuality and sexual identity is an area where I am aware of no research, but its certainly interesting. but the biology of the entity is fully decided immediately upon fertilization. I disagree that sexual orientation has any blend of sexual genetic material, and there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual men and/or women on the known sex based gene markers. Granted we still are exploring this, and there may well be markers for some sexual behaviors, though I do not think so. I just do not think the suggestion of blending is physically possible. Its not the way genetics works. genes are taken from a the two reproductive cells in whole. Two genetic material is not put into a blender and mixed. Its an interesting thought, but I suspect the blending is part of the subsequent development of the individual's personality.
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by LuckyGem View Post
Imagine for a moment.

The science and technology exists today to make this happen.

Take sperm from a homosexual man, and combine it with an egg from a lesbian woman.

Incubate it in a female surrogate until she gives birth.

This is the way to find out if homosexuality is genetic.

__________________________________________________ ___________

I wonder if such an experiment can be done.

After the child is born raise it in a "neutral" home absent of religious dogma and outside social pressures for gender identification until age 5 (when they start kindergarden), and see if a natural born male child gravitates toward female gender associated things, or if a female child gravitates toward male typical gender association.

========================================

Your thoughts?
I don't even want to know why homosexuality exists. It is what it is.
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Old 01-29-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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Once an egg is fertilized, whether the egg will develope into an anatomical male or female is immediate. The chromosomes available in the egg and sperm cell dictate this. Its true that the actual release of the simple acid that causes the fetus to develop into a male is not immediately released, but the release of that acid is already determined by the composition of the two reproductive cells. There are some exceptions where there are anatomical anomolies that were traditionally caused birth defects, but other than situations with such anomolies, all fertilized eggs can only develope as either anotomically male or female and there is no chance for either. The composition of the cells has already dertermined this. Now how zygote and fetal development impacts sexuality and sexual identity is an area where I am aware of no research, but its certainly interesting. but the biology of the entity is fully decided immediately upon fertilization. I disagree that sexual orientation has any blend of sexual genetic material, and there is no difference between homosexual and heterosexual men and/or women on the known sex based gene markers. Granted we still are exploring this, and there may well be markers for some sexual behaviors, though I do not think so. I just do not think the suggestion of blending is physically possible. Its not the way genetics works. genes are taken from a the two reproductive cells in whole. Two genetic material is not put into a blender and mixed. Its an interesting thought, but I suspect the blending is part of the subsequent development of the individual's personality.
There are many men born with not only feminine preferences and personality features, but even physical features...and vice versa...in my work, I once had a 4 year old child for a client who I would bet $20,000 is gay...neither of his parents are, and they are religious as well,,,but I know, I could see it in him, and I do believe 100% he was born that way.

I think the issue of men who feel they were supposed to be women and vice versa is also due to some dysfunction when the egg was fertilized. Maybe we don't know enough now but to me it makes the most sense given the evidence that exists in the form of kids who exhibit so many traits of the opposite gender even as tiny children.
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Old 01-31-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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Imagine for a moment.

The science and technology exists today to make this happen.

Take sperm from a homosexual man, and combine it with an egg from a lesbian woman.

Incubate it in a female surrogate until she gives birth.

This is the way to find out if homosexuality is genetic.

__________________________________________________ ___________

I wonder if such an experiment can be done.

After the child is born raise it in a "neutral" home absent of religious dogma and outside social pressures for gender identification until age 5 (when they start kindergarden), and see if a natural born male child gravitates toward female gender associated things, or if a female child gravitates toward male typical gender association.

========================================

Your thoughts?
Homosexuality is not likely to be inherited. Homosexuals reproduce very little when compared to the heterosexual population. Just look at evolution, traits that are not passed down tend to die out. And yet the rate of homosexuality is rather constant.
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