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I honestly have a picture in my head of you taking glee in the misfortunes of the non well off, like it puts a smile on your face saying the things you do
Why would I take glee in that? Bad things happen. It's a fact of life. No matter how hard you try to hide in your safe space to avoid it, bad things are going to continue to happen, even to rich people... People will get sick and die. People will die in auto accidents. People will drown. People will be murdered. We can't all have equal outcomes. It just isn't possible.
When people die they aren't part of the problem. It's the one who are very sick, but not terminally so, that are expensive.
They're only not terminal because HUGE amounts of money is spent to keep them alive. Sometimes for only a few extra weeks or months. And for what? Just to avoid the inevitable? That's senseless.
You remind me of the family members who refuse to take a loved one who's brain dead and can't breathe on their own off a respirator and insist that they be kept alive at all costs merely because we have the technology to do so. Pointless.
When people die they aren't part of the problem. It's the one who are very sick, but not terminally so, that are expensive.
No, actually, the problem is people who are terminally sick. It's been repeatedly demonstrated that the vast majority of healthcare expenses are in the last weeks of life. It's people who are like "do everything!! I DEMAND EVERYTHING FOR MEEEEEE!!" and then die anyways. And they're people who aren't paying for it, either because they're old and on Medicare or they're random homeless guys off the street. You could throw in dialysis patients, too, but that's actually a terminal problem that we have just turned into an extremely expensive and drawn-out terminal problem.
Guaranteed-issue (preexisting condition coverage). Probably need community rating and individual mandate to go with that requirement. It's going to make it tough for insurers to sell across state borders which is one of the Republicans' 'fixes'.
They're only not terminal because HUGE amounts of money is spent to keep them alive.
Also true. There are many elderly people who have problems with just about every part of their body and they're like "keep me alive at all costs!!" and their grandkids are like "Nana can't go!!" Which is great, but, as I said, if you tell them to out of pocket pay like $20,000 for Nana, suddenly everyone gets all worked up like "how dare you! You pay for her!" "No, I'm not paying for her! You pay for her!" And then Nana is like "I'm not paying for this!" Everyone wants all the care, none of the bill.
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No, actually, the problem is people who are terminally sick. It's been repeatedly demonstrated that the vast majority of healthcare expenses are in the last weeks of life. It's people who are like "do everything!! I DEMAND EVERYTHING FOR MEEEEEE!!" and then die anyways. And they're people who aren't paying for it, either because they're old and on Medicare or they're random homeless guys off the street. You could throw in dialysis patients, too, but that's actually a terminal problem that we have just turned into an extremely expensive and drawn-out terminal problem.
Let's wait to see you develop a health problem, and see if you still sing the same tune......
Op, nope. The only way to keep the preexisting conditions is to keep Obamacare, which is unusable for many as it is, due to high cost and high ded's. Every year that goes by it will skyrocket in these areas. Pretty soon, much of your $ will go just for fines for not being able to afford it.
Healthcare system we have in the US is broken. It will only keep spiraling out of control. Once healthcare turned into big biz it was put on a trajectory for destroying the ability of the average person paying for healthcare out of pocket.
Socialized education is has served us for ages. The cost is in the RE taxes and even if you have no kids you end up chipping in. If you don't want to use the socialized education system then you can pay for private school. This is how the healthcare should be. A 2 tier system, one for the rich as a fee for service and one for the average person that is gov supplied - aka socialized healthcare. That is the only way you can do it. The rich can have whatever they want and the poor can still get some healthcare. Socialized med wont be as good as rich med, but it can be doable. If you don't like it, get 3 jobs and pay for the rich healthcare.
I actually would be OK with that IF everyone paid a flat tax to pay for it as is the case with RE tax and socialized education. Look at your RE tax bill... the tax levied by the school district is a flat rate for everyone (even renters, whose rent includes their landlord's cost of RE taxes).
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Is it just me or are Jersey and InformedConsent suggesting we need death panels?
They are, under their thinking, it's like if a Mercedes has a bad spark plug, just send the car to the scrap yard to be chopped
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