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View Poll Results: How important do you think is the issue of Climate Change?
Very important 80 31.62%
Somewhat important 27 10.67%
Not so important 30 11.86%
Unimportant 44 17.39%
The problem doesn't exist 70 27.67%
Other 2 0.79%
Voters: 253. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-19-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Propaganda? That would be the IPCC. They've spread propaganda. Their "global warming/climate change" models were WRONG. It's junk science.
Yeah all the models are wrong...In your dreams.

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Old 11-19-2016, 01:11 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yeah all the models are wrong...
Happy to see you finally agree...

Top climate scientists admit global warming forecasts were wrong - Telegraph

And...

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Source: https://www.ua.edu/
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I don't waste my time trying to debunk sources that are known for propaganda. What the poster did was throw like 15 links out all with trash sources in the hopes of getting something to stick. No way am I going to debunk every single detail in every one of those links. It is a pretty common tactic among propagandists that I've seen plenty of times.

Establishing the sites and writers as nonsense is a perfectly valid and much more efficient way to discredit them.

In your link, did you read it? The guy is an undergraduate engineer who simply says that he is a skeptic because he doesn't understand it. This is clearly stated at the end of the article.
He was using a figure of speech to show that the theory is bogus... if you actually did read the whole article and the data presented, you would have noted the discrepancies he illuminates.

And I noted that you had not commented on the fact that a planet suffering from "heat trapping" greenhouse gases is COOLER than bodies in a vacuum, despite equal amounts of insolation.

That's called TRUE BELIEF TRUMPS FACTS THAT REFUTE.
That's not science, that's a tenet of the Church of the Warming Planet.

Forbes Welcome
Blood And Gore: Making A Killing On Anti-Carbon Investment Hype
". . . the UN’s alarmist Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has had to finally admit that global temperatures have been flat for at least 16 years despite rising atmospheric CO2 levels. IPCC has also confessed that their theoretical simulation models have grossly exaggerated climate sensitivity to CO2. As a result, those social costs resulting from human-caused climate change are at least one-third less (and more likely 100 percent less) than those in the administration’s calculations."
In short, BOGUS, DECEPTIVE, and ALARMING predictions are not "science" but speculation.

And as the article points out, there was a nefarious motive of greed behind the hoax.
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It looks like two were close.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It looks like two were close.
Out of how many? The IPCC models were disgracefully incorrect. Junk science.
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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It looks like two were close.
Probably not. Those are more than likely "low emissions" scenarios that don't reflect reality.
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Old 11-19-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: In a rural place where people can't bother me ;)
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As much as 44 billion tons of nitrogen and 850 billion tons of carbon stored in arctic permafrost, or frozen ground, could be released into the environment as the region begins to thaw over the next century as a result of a warmer planet, according to a new study led by the U.S. Geological Survey. This nitrogen and carbon are likely to impact ecosystems, the atmosphere, and water resources including rivers and lakes.

"This study quantifies the impact on Earth's two most important chemical cycles, carbon and nitrogen, from thawing of permafrost under future climate warming scenarios," said USGS Director Marcia McNutt. "While the permafrost of the polar latitudes may seem distant and disconnected from the daily activities of most of us, its potential to alter the planet's habitability when destabilized is very real."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1025145436.htm
Yep...a study funded by the very government that has to keep global warming on their priority list to forward their agenda. Just ridiculous how many people are so easily swayed by what they "think" is the truth. I'm so happy to call myself an independent thinker, not a herd follower. I've never "fit in" with the masses and never will.
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Old 11-19-2016, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Canada
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What importance do you place on the issue of Climate Change?


Extremely important. I've been watching it change for 70 years and now it's changing so rapidly around the world it's mind-boggling. It's becoming obvious that so many poorly informed people are so unprepared for it they won't have time or resources to adapt appropriately to the impacts to their lifestyles and environments.

Their unpreparedness concerns me because the consequence is that they will become burdens on each other and much worse burdens on those who are informed and preparing for the impacts.

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Old 11-19-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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He was using a figure of speech to show that the theory is bogus... if you actually did read the whole article and the data presented, you would have noted the discrepancies he illuminates.

And I noted that you had not commented on the fact that a planet suffering from "heat trapping" greenhouse gases is COOLER than bodies in a vacuum, despite equal amounts of insolation.

That's called TRUE BELIEF TRUMPS FACTS THAT REFUTE.
That's not science, that's a tenet of the Church of the Warming Planet.

Forbes Welcome
Blood And Gore: Making A Killing On Anti-Carbon Investment Hype
". . . the UN’s alarmist Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has had to finally admit that global temperatures have been flat for at least 16 years despite rising atmospheric CO2 levels. IPCC has also confessed that their theoretical simulation models have grossly exaggerated climate sensitivity to CO2. As a result, those social costs resulting from human-caused climate change are at least one-third less (and more likely 100 percent less) than those in the administration’s calculations."
In short, BOGUS, DECEPTIVE, and ALARMING predictions are not "science" but speculation.

And as the article points out, there was a nefarious motive of greed behind the hoax.
I'm still noting that you have handed me trash resources and seem to think that they are somehow legitimate.

Next you'll be telling me that evolution is a farce and providing answersingenesis as proof
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Old 11-20-2016, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Sorry, but I do not accept graphs drafted by climate mis-informers. Do you have a legitimate source?
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