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Old 11-23-2016, 06:22 AM
 
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States rights is bad, right? Or is it only bad when associated with the 'other' party. To be sure, for the wrong purposes, any political philosophy can be misused, twisted if you will for bad, even evil purposes. Only the intellectually lazy, or political demagogues use a broad brush stroke approach to one of underlying tenants of compromise utilized in crafting what is still the best system of government in the world.

As the saying goes, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Interesting and thought provoking article in The New Yorker this morning. No quotes. Brief article, easy to digest.

Post-Election, Liberals Invoke States
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Old 11-23-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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I see. So, if you are California or New York, after all these years scoffing at states with smaller populations whose values were in conflict with the national leadership, suddenly you believe in States' Rights? I happen to agree with them because I do support States' Rights but must admit I can't help but to roll my eyes. Maybe one of the good things that will come out of this election is a renewed emphasis on preventing overreach by the federal government.
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Old 11-23-2016, 06:51 AM
 
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States rights is bad, right? Or is it only bad when associated with the 'other' party. To be sure, for the wrong purposes, any political philosophy can be misused, twisted if you will for bad, even evil purposes. Only the intellectually lazy, or political demagogues use a broad brush stroke approach to one of underlying tenants of compromise utilized in crafting what is still the best system of government in the world.

As the saying goes, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Interesting and thought provoking article in The New Yorker this morning. No quotes. Brief article, easy to digest.

Post-Election, Liberals Invoke States
The opposite argument can be used also. I agree that this issue shows major hypocrisy on both sides.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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Certainly a point is the frequent overreach of the federal government. The intent of states rights and the preventing overreach by the federal government were both important considerations and or intents of why our system of government was framed as it was. This is why I frequently comment about the negative effect of the 17th Amendment. About its damage to our governmental system of checks and balances.

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I see. So, if you are California or New York, after all these years scoffing at states with smaller populations whose values were in conflict with the national leadership, suddenly you believe in States' Rights? I happen to agree with them because I do support States' Rights but must admit I can't help but to roll my eyes. Maybe one of the good things that will come out of this election is a renewed emphasis on preventing overreach by the federal government.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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Of course, that was my intent in posting this article. Why I called it thought provoking.
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The opposite argument can be used also.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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States rights is bad, right? Or is it only bad when associated with the 'other' party. To be sure, for the wrong purposes, any political philosophy can be misused, twisted if you will for bad, even evil purposes. Only the intellectually lazy, or political demagogues use a broad brush stroke approach to one of underlying tenants of compromise utilized in crafting what is still the best system of government in the world.

As the saying goes, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Interesting and thought provoking article in The New Yorker this morning. No quotes. Brief article, easy to digest.

Post-Election, Liberals Invoke States
So now they are for state rights?
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:05 AM
 
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I see. So, if you are California or New York, after all these years scoffing at states with smaller populations whose values were in conflict with the national leadership, suddenly you believe in States' Rights? I happen to agree with them because I do support States' Rights but must admit I can't help but to roll my eyes. Maybe one of the good things that will come out of this election is a renewed emphasis on preventing overreach by the federal government.
They don't believe in state rights though, they just "believe" in anything they can do to get their way.

Remember... these folks believe in "The End Justifies the Means" and as soon as it benefits them, they will stop supporting state rights.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:06 AM
 
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Of course, that was my intent in posting this article. Why I called it thought provoking.
For the article to be thought provoking the title shouldn't point out the hypocrisy of only one side.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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They don't believe in state rights though, they just "believe" in anything they can do to get their way.

Remember... these folks believe in "The End Justifies the Means" and as soon as it benefits them, they will stop supporting state rights.
So you agree that states can refuse to enforce laws that are of federal jurisdiction? You are going to defend states doing that?
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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What would Lincoln the hero of progressives say?
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