Repealing Obamacare could have severe repercussions on hospitals (Canada, myth, terrorist)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by njquestions

That's interesting until you remember the hours they work, their training, and the fact that the liability in their profession is so high. In contrast, the liberal trial lawyers who sue them make even more than they do and have no liability, which drives up medical costs substantially.

I'm not begrudging what doctors make, just saying that socialized medicine handles distribution of care better, doctors in Canada and the UK still make good money, but people don't avoid treatment like here due to not wanting a 4-6 figure medical bill they won't be able to afford

[njquestions]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I'm not begrudging what doctors make, just saying that socialized medicine handles distribution of care better, doctors in Canada and the UK still make good money, but people don't avoid treatment like here due to not wanting a 4-6 figure medical bill they won't be able to afford

Actually, they were having such a difficult time finding doctors in the UK that they were farming it out to foreigners, until a bunch of Muslim doctors went terrorist on them. And Canada famously has people come to the US for treatment of things that they get turned down for in Canada.


You know what would be a great compromise, however? Having two parallel systems of healthcare in America. One for paying patients and the other for non-paying patients and liberals (since they love socialized medicine, I am told). Then we could see which one worked out better. And unlike Obamacare, we wouldn't let people get exemptions from socialized medicine. We would just say "oh, you supported it, so there you go!"

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by njquestions

Actually, they were having such a difficult time finding doctors in the UK that they were farming it out to foreigners, until a bunch of Muslim doctors went terrorist on them. And Canada famously has people come to the US for treatment of things that they get turned down for in Canada.


You know what would be a great compromise, however? Having two parallel systems of healthcare in America. One for paying patients and the other for non-paying patients and liberals (since they love socialized medicine, I am told). Then we could see which one worked out better. And unlike Obamacare, we wouldn't let people get exemptions from socialized medicine. We would just say "oh, you supported it, so there you go!"

You are leaving out the fact that the Canadians who come here for care are $$$, middle class and poor Canadians aren't coming here for care, because like most, they can't afford what the private sector charges for medical care. My fiances friend has colitis ?sp? and recently had to go to the hospital, and her bill was $250k before insurance, or 4 years salary for her (thankfully her insurance covered all but about $1,000, or it would have bankrupted her). This is the problem with for profit healthcare!

[gordo]

If Obamacare is the problem then repealing Obamacare should make health care more affordable and the population should be healthier. But if Obamacare is not the problem, then repealing it could be disastrous, and the conservatives would pay for it in the 2020 election.

[njquestions]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

You are leaving out the fact that the Canadians who come here for care are $$$, middle class and poor Canadians aren't coming here for care, because like most, they can't afford what the private sector charges for medical care. My fiances friend has colitis ?sp? and recently had to go to the hospital, and her bill was $250k before insurance, or 4 years salary for her (thankfully her insurance covered all but about $1,000, or it would have bankrupted her). This is the problem with for profit healthcare!

That's right. In any socialized system, the people who escape are the wealthy and the people who suffer are the poor. It's just like in America, where very wealthy unions and politicians demanded a socialized system and then immediately escaped it for themselves, while forcing it on everyone else. You have it exactly right. Now why do you love socialized medicine again so much?

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by gordo

If Obamacare is the problem then repealing Obamacare should make health care more affordable and the population should be healthier. But if Obamacare is not the problem, then repealing it could be disastrous, and the conservatives would pay for it in the 2020 election.

Obamacare care isn't the problem. The problem with Obamacare is that it did little to nothing to help the problem.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by njquestions

That's right. In any socialized system, the people who escape are the wealthy and the people who suffer are the poor. It's just like in America, where very wealthy unions and politicians demanded a socialized system and then immediately escaped it for themselves, while forcing it on everyone else. You have it exactly right. Now why do you love socialized medicine again so much?

I have first hand knowledge of the Canadian system. My friends and next door neighbors back in Rochester, NY, were all dual US-Canadian citizens (except for the father), and they despite being well off would always make the 90 min drive to St Catherine's, Ontario, Canada for anything from dentist visits, to optometrist visits to doctors visits. They could afford our prices, but would still use the "oh-so-bad" Canadian healthcare. So not as bad as you make it out to be.....

And to answer your final smart ass question, I like it because I would not want to be bankrupted by medical care. As it is, I have insurance, and need dental work done, but keep putting it off because even with the insurance, my out of pocket portion would be over $1,000. With socialized medicine, I could have had my work done months ago

[njquestions]

Originally Posted by pknopp

Obamacare care isn't the problem. The problem with Obamacare is that it did little to nothing to help the problem.

Actually, Obamacare made the problem worse, so it is the problem. The actual problem is that there's no free market in healthcare.

[njquestions]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I have first hand knowledge of the Canadian system. My friends and next door neighbors back in Rochester, NY, were all dual US-Canadian citizens (except for the father), and they despite being well off would always make the 90 min drive to St Catherine's, Ontario, Canada for anything from dentist visits, to optometrist visits to doctors visits. They could afford our prices, but would still use the "oh-so-bad" Canadian healthcare. So not as bad as you make it out to be.....

Oh, interesting, so first you admitted that wealthy Canadians came to America for healthcare and then after I pointed out how that is a clear indictment of socialized medicine, you immediately reversed yourself and claimed that everyone you know actually tries to go to Canada for all of their healthcare needs. How odd. Do you always do that?

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by njquestions

Oh, interesting, so first you admitted that wealthy Canadians came to America for healthcare and then after I pointed out how that is a clear indictment of socialized medicine, you immediately reversed yourself and claimed that everyone you know actually tries to go to Canada for all of their healthcare needs. How odd. Do you always do that?

You are putting words in my mouth, I only mentioned that the Canadians who come to the US for care are wealthy, and you made it a point to twist my words to indicate that I am indicting socialized medicine. As soon as I find something that I can flag you for, I am going to do it. I am getting sick of you