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Old 11-26-2016, 07:22 PM
 
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I didn't say that.
Sure, you did, even if you didn't intend to. See, I proposed a two-track system. One that was free market and one that was socialized. And the socialized one would be for the poor and indigent and for the wealthy liberal elites (unions, politicians) who professed to support it. And unlike with Obamacare, they wouldn't be allowed to bail out on it.


Now, the wealthy liberals should easily be able to fund the socialized system as a contained system. You have rich and poor within it and I am told that socialized healthcare produces the best results in the world. But you interpreted it as everyone will fund it. But that would be silly. Why would the rest of the country fund a system they're not part of? And why would a socialized system require funding from millions of people who don't use it?

 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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That is exactly right. Trump supporters need to keep this in mind if they don't want the liberals to return to power in 2020. I hope that the people Trump surrounds himself with know what their doing. The anger that made the liberals lose power could easily bounce back to the conservatives.
Conservatives have to put accomplishments where their criticizing mouths have been for the past six years.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:26 PM
 
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I thought... without Obamacare healthcare will leave the US so docs can be free to practice in Cuba and France?
I know nothing about that argument. I've never heard it before.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:27 PM
 
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my ER's are in NYC and NY state has long gone way above and beyond minimum Medicaid requirements (basically Medicaid in NY pays for everything, and that all falls on the NY taxpayer).

I've noticed no difference in the trivial complaints that come through our doors. or the people who call an ambulance because our hospital is close to where they want to go so they just walk off from the ambulance bay after getting here.

Yes Medicaid gets a $300.00 bill, but what are they supposed to do; use a metrocard? Thats like $2.00!
Not having a copay on ambulance trips that don't end in admissions or observations results in waste and abuse. News at 11. There should be a higher copay than the cost of a taxi or black car (whichever is more expensive locally) or you get this kind of behavior.

Of course, there sadly is some value in you saying it. The fact that this isn't intuitively obvious to everyone drives a lot of policy mistakes.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Not having a copay on ambulance trips that don't end in admissions or observations results in waste and abuse. News at 11. There should be a higher copay than the cost of a taxi or black car (whichever is more expensive locally) or you get this kind of behavior.

Of course, there sadly is some value in you saying it. The fact that this isn't intuitively obvious to everyone drives a lot of policy stupidity.
News at 11: when a service is offered for free to people, they abuse it. Now, let's return to discussing socialized medicine and subsidized healthcare, an apparently unrelated topic.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:34 PM
 
Location: louisville
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I know nothing about that argument. I've never heard it before.
I was being silly as we went through this same stuff with the Bernie single payer crap back in the winter. I figure others are exaggerating so I should. Lol
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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News at 11: when a service is offered for free to people, they abuse it. Now, let's return to discussing socialized medicine and subsidized healthcare, an apparently unrelated topic.
Sort of like how we don't pay for the wars?
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:42 PM
 
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I was being silly as we went through this same stuff with the Bernie single payer crap back in the winter. I figure others are exaggerating so I should. Lol
Fair enough.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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News at 11: when a service is offered for free to people, they abuse it. Now, let's return to discussing socialized medicine and subsidized healthcare, an apparently unrelated topic.
Not disagreeing with FJR. That said, there's a very narrow technical fix to the ambulance over-utilization problem which is slapping on a copay greater than transportation alternatives. Which in many states medicaid does not do, hence his/her experience. You don't necessarily have to address the broad dilemma to solve the local problem.

It's not like people want to use medical care they don't need -- but they'll do it if incentivized to. Deliberate plan design can solve some of the problems of mis-use without having to address the thornier question of who pays.
 
Old 11-26-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Conservatives have to put accomplishments where their criticizing mouths have been for the past six years.
Accomplishments are what the conservatives need for the next four years. We'll see what they can do. Obviously a certain percentage of Trump voters will be for him no matter what he does. It's those pesky non partisan swing voters that could lean back to the liberals, if things aren't better for them in four years time. Swing voters gave Trump a gift this election, but that might not necessary be the case the next election.....
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