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I think feminism is a like a religion for women that can't decide what it wants to be about. In the past ten years ago or so it has become far more stifling than liberating. It's a tyranny of caring. Oh what you don't CARE?! That makes a million marginalized peoples cry! WAAAAAAAA!
You know what, I really don't care about other women or their problems. My attitude is that I should protect my interests and **** the rest. This is the cardinal sin of bleeding heart feminism, but the irony is that I got here by NOT listening to what others tell me and by rejecting the opinions of people who tried to tell me how to live as a woman. Meaning I think it's funny that feminism is supposed to be about rejecting structures that hold women down, then telling women that if they don't listen to feminist or care about their hobby horses they are bad. Oh, really?
I wrote a post in great debates about feminism today, but after reading the replies there I realized - I'm NOT a feminist, I really don't like feminism at all, and I don't need other women's opinions dictating mine. It would be nice to support women, but feminism is just a secular religion and I'm an atheist. Who needs a bunch of unrelated baggage like feminism? I've got enough to deal with without a bunch of finger-waggers telling me who my heart needs to bleed for today. No thanks.
I heard a conversation where someone called feminism "socialism with panties", and the reasoning kind of stuck with me... they pointed out that on most issues, they'll side with leftist ideas if it conflicts with their feminist ones.
For example, you'd think feminists would be praising all strong-minded, intellectual, successful, influential women...but feminists hate women like Margaret Thatcher, Ann Coulter, Ayn Rand, etc...why? They're enemies of the left. It was also brought up how Sarah Palin was ridiculed and called a c word by Bill Maher and none of them got upset at all.
It just makes me question their true priorities...like if I said my girlfriend was the most important thing in my life, yet I always chose to hang out with my friends instead.
I heard a conversation where someone called feminism "socialism with panties", and the reasoning kind of stuck with me... they pointed out that on most issues, they'll side with leftist ideas if it conflicts with their feminist ones.
For example, you'd think feminists would be praising all strong-minded, intellectual, successful, influential women...but feminists hate women like Margaret Thatcher, Ann Coulter, Ayn Rand, etc...why? They're enemies of the left. It was also brought up how Sarah Palin was ridiculed and called a c word by Bill Maher and none of them got upset at all.
It just makes me question their true priorities...like if I said my girlfriend was the most important thing in my life, yet I always chose to hang out with my friends instead.
Well, no. Feminism is not automatically siding with a woman, because she is a woman. Why in the world would you think that?
Feminism, is treating a woman with equality. The same expectation for male politicians should be given to female ones so, no I won't automatically side with a woman politician because she is a woman. That is just stupid.
I hold a politician who is a woman to the same standard as a man. That is, I will look at their policy and cast judgement on that.
I bet that your mental image of a feminist is something that everyone in here would probably dislike.
I bet that the type of feminist that people are identifying themselves with would not be disagreeable to the vast majority of people, including you.
These aren't mutually exclusive because both sides are effectively arguing about completely different things.
Good points.
The only type of feminists I don't like are the radical ones, or the ones that just can't let anything go without making a comment.
For an example of the latter, a few years ago I posted a pic to my FB page of my boys' playroom (after they had destroyed it over the course of a few days). I captioned the picture with "Boys and their Toys". FB feminist friend just HAD to let me know that Legos/trucks/Hot Wheels are not gender specific & her daughter plays with them all of the time. Who cares?
She just couldn't resist & this is why I avoid her & those like her, IRL.
With all this bitterness you have towards women, it seems like you don't really like yourself very much. Sorry to hear that. As for other posters bringing up the past, they bring it up to show you how bad it was for women in the past. That's not focusing on the past as you say, that's simply stating fact. You don't know what it was like, you're lucky. You're lucky you now have choices. If you choose to stay home, great for you but realize there are those who choose not to.
Only the crazy ones. The crazy thing is as much as feminism proclaims to be for "all women" in reality it only is for women that are in their echo chamber. Check this out:
A feminist group has been unceremoniously expelled from the list of participants at the upcoming Women’s March on Washington, once organizers discovered that the group did not adhere to the strict pro-abortion requirement for marchers.
Also, you do realize back in the day being a peasant guy was a pretty awful existence as well, right? I guess it doesn't matter to you because they were still men, but despite the vast majority of men throughout history having been forced to live a crappy life and suffer you don't see men complaining about it today.
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What a strange thing to say - in your own thread - OP
I copied the video from another poster's thread.
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I think what you are missing is equal opportunity, equal protection under the law, not access to equal amounts of resources. Its not the same thing. Nothing will be absolutely equal between men and women or between individuals but all should share the same legal protection and have the same right to pursue resources.
Indeed true, really? Its documented in our history, our media, our laws and policies. That's like saying if enslavement, discrimination and oppression of blacks was indeed true. Our past should not be forgotten least it repeat itself.
Well, none of that matters now so are we to continually live in the past?
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I am pretty sure sexual harassment policies and laws apply to both men and women.
Thats a strange thing to be concerned about.
In theory perhaps, but not in reality.
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Generally women's rights groups dont take on personal individual court cases. Womens' advocates are more interested in laws in general that might discriminate on the bases of gender. There is really nothing to be done about false accusations or police reports. There are already laws to deal with those situations.
Again, not the job performance police. The concern is that women get opportunity for equal representation in political positions.
But they do lose their **** over the most absurd things and of course make sure to profit off of it. See Anita Sarkeesian.
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See, feminists aren't rabid women going out in droves protesting. Basically they live their own peaceful lives and might work on a committee or lobby for issues that are important to them, as women.
Irrelevant, the fact that the most extreme insane self-proclaimed feminists manage to get thousands upon thousands of dollars and tons of support makes that moot.
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You should be equally concerned for your children regardless of their gender.
Of course I am concerned for my daughter, albeit not for the reasons feminists would like to say. Keep in mind it'll be close to two decades from now. But I could foresee any son I have getting very much discriminated against for being male or getting in trouble for something he didn't do because of some crazy woman.
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The only way your going to see feminists talking about toxic masculinity on the internet is if you go in search of it. Most young men are looking at their FB or porn, or sports, or cars or whatever they are into.
Feminists are keeping us from living like women in the middle east. As long as women have political and financial power there is no need to rely on the sympathies and understanding of men.
Uhh..No, just look at any of the "gate keepers" of feminism, they say such.
I am sure many of these same women back in the 70s would be HUGE fans of Andrea Dworkin.
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And that's definitely a conflict, but I think the sympathy for suffering people overrules any judgmentalism about their cultural practices.
Listen, I have a friend, as liberal as can be. She has been living in in Jordan because of work for the past seven or eight years. When the Syrian refugees began swarming over the border and were put into the camps set up for them in Jordan a few years ago, she and some others went there to see what they could do. They felt helpless at first--people showing pictures of their families on their cell phones, ending with "but they are all dead now". People who hadn't bathed in ages and had no soap or shampoo. She said the first day, she went home, looked at all her teenage daughter's hair products in the bathroom, and sat on the floor and cried.
She and others went back to the camps, and they taught the women and the girls how to knit. She put the word out back here that they needed yarn and needles donated, and people responded. Eventually, the woman and girls learned to make hats and mittens and scarves and sweaters and blankets that they sell to make a living for themselves.
My friend didn't worry about what these women's religion was or what their cultural practices were, even though they likely go against hers quite a bit. She saw people suffering and desperately in need and found some little thing she could do to help alleviate the suffering.
That's why people are willing to let refugees in even if they are from a completely different culture whose beliefs in how women are treated go against ours. It seems as if helping is the right thing to do because we have the resources, especially when other first world countries are stepping up. What is our excuse for not?
Yeah, but for one, you were dealing with all/mostly females, and for the other I bet were in a safe space. Do you really think it's worth the price so many women in Europe have been dealing with? You do realize our "love" and "compassion" just gets used against us, right? Just look at what happened to a woman that felt the same way recently:
Just because you and others may be willing to take the chance at getting brutally raped/beaten/tortured/killed all in the name of "compassion" doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer. If you want to take the chance, fine, go to these countries and do so at your own pearl, but don't bring these people here, or you end up with their own little middle eastern thinking where women are treated like garbage.
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I think feminism is a like a religion for women that can't decide what it wants to be about. In the past ten years ago or so it has become far more stifling than liberating. It's a tyranny of caring. Oh what you don't CARE?! That makes a million marginalized peoples cry! WAAAAAAAA!
You know what, I really don't care about other women or their problems. My attitude is that I should protect my interests and **** the rest. This is the cardinal sin of bleeding heart feminism, but the irony is that I got here by NOT listening to what others tell me and by rejecting the opinions of people who tried to tell me how to live as a woman. Meaning I think it's funny that feminism is supposed to be about rejecting structures that hold women down, then telling women that if they don't listen to feminist or care about their hobby horses they are bad. Oh, really?
I wrote a post in great debates about feminism today, but after reading the replies there I realized - I'm NOT a feminist, I really don't like feminism at all, and I don't need other women's opinions dictating mine. It would be nice to support women, but feminism is just a secular religion and I'm an atheist. Who needs a bunch of unrelated baggage like feminism? I've got enough to deal with without a bunch of finger-waggers telling me who my heart needs to bleed for today. No thanks.
This is my experience as well. So many feel that if they don't subscribe to their feminist dogma they will be ostracised, which actually does happen sadly.
She has been modeling since she was 16 and gets buckets of money for it, yet we are to believe she feels oh so bad for all the women that, as she herself says isn't fortunate enough to have won "the genetic lottery".
Funny how as much as she decries how bad it is women are based off looks she sure doesn't have a problem greatly profiting off of it.
Hell, while I do have FAR more respect for the earliest of suffragettes, even then when they were complaining they put black women in the back of the line.
Not to mention that when women were trying to get the right to vote they made black women stay in the back of the line. Also, the rich upper class women were against it. Doubt they teach such facts in women/feminist study courses.
Back in 2008, Sarah Palin was running for vice president, the second highest office in politics. But people thought she was nuts and went for Obama instead.
In fact, lots of people don't vote for someone based on gender.
I didnt say anything about voting on someone based on gender. Having the opportunity to run for office is not the same as getting elected. I would hope people had more intelligence than to vote for someone based on gender or race.
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They support politicians like Hillary Clinton and her party that wants to bring in refugees from middle eastern countries who treat women like slaves.
They? all women. Or do you mean Blacks because Trump won the white female vote. Hillary won the Black vote.
Well, none of that matters now so are we to continually live in the past?
It is not living in the past to understand how things came to be. Its called history. As well understanding the difference in opportunity and entitlement matters.
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In theory perhaps, but not in reality.
As everything else in this world. Laws and policy are concrete but human attitudes, opinions and character are not. So even though laws and policy are in place humans find a way to insert their personal agendas. Adults are aware that individual bias influences decisions and actions.
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ir **** over the most absurd things and of course make sure to profit off of it. See Anita Sarkeesian.
People are individuals. There are going to be some crazies, male and female. Have you ever read the writings of leaders of MGTOW? Should we believe that all mens rights activists subscribe to this nonsense?
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Irrelevant, the fact that the most extreme insane self-proclaimed feminists manage to get thousands upon thousands of dollars and tons of support makes that moot.
What does an extremist’s ability to generate revenue have to do with the fundamental tenants of a basic concept? It is your choice to view and judge the feminist movement on its past and present achievements or judge it based on extreme insane self-proclaimed feminists on social media. Cant help you there.
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Of course I am concerned for my daughter, albeit not for the reasons feminists would like to say. Keep in mind it'll be close to two decades from now. But I could foresee any son I have getting very much discriminated against for being male or getting in trouble for something he didn't do because of some crazy woman.
Fair enough. No one can tell you what you can or can’t worry about for your children’s future.
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Uhh..No, just look at any of the "gate keepers" of feminism, they say such.
I am sure many of these same women back in the 70s would be HUGE fans of Andrea Dworkin.
I have no idea who the “gate keepers” of feminism are or what they say. What web site can I look that up on.
I heard a conversation where someone called feminism "socialism with panties", and the reasoning kind of stuck with me... they pointed out that on most issues, they'll side with leftist ideas if it conflicts with their feminist ones.
For example, you'd think feminists would be praising all strong-minded, intellectual, successful, influential women...but feminists hate women like Margaret Thatcher, Ann Coulter, Ayn Rand, etc...why? They're enemies of the left. It was also brought up how Sarah Palin was ridiculed and called a c word by Bill Maher and none of them got upset at all.
It just makes me question their true priorities...like if I said my girlfriend was the most important thing in my life, yet I always chose to hang out with my friends instead.
Excuse me but why should I support nut jobs like the ones you mentioned simply because they're female? To be a feminist I have to unconditionally support them? That's absurd.
Only the crazy ones. The crazy thing is as much as feminism proclaims to be for "all women" in reality it only is for women that are in their echo chamber. Check this out:
Also, you do realize back in the day being a peasant guy was a pretty awful existence as well, right? I guess it doesn't matter to you because they were still men, but despite the vast majority of men throughout history having been forced to live a crappy life and suffer you don't see men complaining about it today.
I copied the video from another poster's thread.
Well, none of that matters now so are we to continually live in the past?
In theory perhaps, but not in reality.
But they do lose their **** over the most absurd things and of course make sure to profit off of it. See Anita Sarkeesian.
Irrelevant, the fact that the most extreme insane self-proclaimed feminists manage to get thousands upon thousands of dollars and tons of support makes that moot.
Of course I am concerned for my daughter, albeit not for the reasons feminists would like to say. Keep in mind it'll be close to two decades from now. But I could foresee any son I have getting very much discriminated against for being male or getting in trouble for something he didn't do because of some crazy woman.
Uhh..No, just look at any of the "gate keepers" of feminism, they say such.
I am sure many of these same women back in the 70s would be HUGE fans of Andrea Dworkin.
Yeah, but for one, you were dealing with all/mostly females, and for the other I bet were in a safe space. Do you really think it's worth the price so many women in Europe have been dealing with? You do realize our "love" and "compassion" just gets used against us, right? Just look at what happened to a woman that felt the same way recently:
Just because you and others may be willing to take the chance at getting brutally raped/beaten/tortured/killed all in the name of "compassion" doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer. If you want to take the chance, fine, go to these countries and do so at your own pearl, but don't bring these people here, or you end up with their own little middle eastern thinking where women are treated like garbage.
This is my experience as well. So many feel that if they don't subscribe to their feminist dogma they will be ostracised, which actually does happen sadly.
She straight up says women that don't align with her views can go to hell and she gets tons of applause.
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead & call foul over your entire story, starting with I believe you're actually a male. No female hates their gender to such a hysterical extent as your posts indicate. Cool story but totally fabricated to use as a platform to rail against women who have either done better than you in life or rejected you....or both. End of thread.
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