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Old 01-16-2017, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Well wasn't that just a big OOPSY DAISY, lol.

NAFTA gave a lot of Americans the shafta.
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Old 01-16-2017, 11:56 PM
 
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Of course mist poor areas and cities vote heavily democratic! Why would they vote for a party that encourages hatred of them and wants to throw them to the wolves? That doesn't make the Dems or libs responsible for their plight....and it ignores a lot of prosperous areas that also vote Democratic. This line of argument is akin to saying that there are usually firefighters present at fires...so the firefighters are obviously to blame for the fires.
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Old 01-17-2017, 12:17 AM
 
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Nope, NAFTA was negotiated by Bush I.Stop blaming the Democrats for this.

And just try to get this Congress to walk back away from the TPP or any other deal which is good for big business.

Get your facts straight and stop spreading false propaganda.
You are the one spreading false info. Clinton not only willingly signed it, he fought hard to get it passed. This is from a liberal web site Salon

Own up to NAFTA, Democrats: Trump is right that the terrible trade pact was Bill Clinton’s baby - Salon.com

I dont care about mainstream republicans and George w Bush or Clinton or Obama, they have all let illegal immigrants flood the country and we have seen a massive outsourcing of good paying jobs under all their administrations, over 330,000 manufacturing jobs alone during Obamas administration but tons of low paying no benefit jobs and 43 million people on food stamps. President Obama almost doubled our national debt to more than $19 trillion our roads and bridges and infrastructure are falling apart, many airports are in third-world condition and on and on
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Old 01-17-2017, 12:33 AM
 
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Of course mist poor areas and cities vote heavily democratic! Why would they vote for a party that encourages hatred of them and wants to throw them to the wolves? That doesn't make the Dems or libs responsible for their plight....and it ignores a lot of prosperous areas that also vote Democratic. This line of argument is akin to saying that there are usually firefighters present at fires...so the firefighters are obviously to blame for the fires.
Irregardless of what people think about the republican party, why not look at outsider Democrats like bernie sanders or independents like gary Johnson, Trump was right, the inner cities cant do any worse, may as well listen to an outsider. The democratic party machine in these cities are totally corrupt

This is insane

Can anyone name one of the poorest and most violent large cities in the country that isnt run by a Democratic mayor and city council?


St. Louis Mo DEMOCRAT since 1949.

Detroit Mi DEMOCRAT since 1957

Newark, Nj DEMOCRAT since 1907

.Oakland, California, DEMOCRAT since 1977.

Camden NJ DEMOCRAT since 1936

Baltimore, DEMOCRAT since 1967

Buffalo, NY DEMOCRAT since 1954

Cleveland, OH DEMOCRAT since 1989;

Milwaukee, WI DEMOCRAT since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA since 1952

Flint MI DEMOCRAT


This was back in 2014 but nothing has changed much mayoral wise and most are almost one party rule

The cities with populations over 200,000 ranked as the most dangerous are:

Detroit, MI - Mayor Mike Duggan - DEMOCRAT
Oakland, CA - Mayor Jean Quan - DEMOCRAT
Memphis, TN - Mayor A C Wharton - DEMOCRAT
St. Louis, MO - Mayor Francis G. Slay - DEMOCRAT
Cleveland, OH - Mayor Frank G. Jackson - DEMOCRAT
Baltimore, MD - Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake - DEMOCRAT
Milwaukee, WI - Mayor Tom Barrett - DEMOCRAT
Birmingham, AL - Mayor William A. Bell - DEMOCRAT
Newark, NJ - Mayor Ras Baraka - DEMOCRAT

This was from March 2016 but Chicago hasnt got any better. Chicago’s last GOP mayor was elected in 1927.

How Decades Of Democratic Rule Ruined Some Of Our Finest Cities

http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...finest-cities/

The nation’s third-largest city is home to some of the worst inner-city violence imaginable. More than 2,300 people were shot there last year, and nearly 400 lost their lives to homicides.

Its finances are just as grim. "Chicago is so broke," IBD contributor Stephen Moore explained months ago, "that its bonds are junk status, and Mayor Rahm Emanuel had to go hat in hand last week to the state capital, Springfield, for bailout money to pay the bills."

Things have been rotten enough, Moore said, to send "a record number of people ... fleeing Cook County, home to Chicago." Only a little more than half of the city's pension liabilities are funded.

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Old 01-17-2017, 12:38 AM
 
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Can anyone name one of the poorest and most violent large cities in the country that isnt run by a Democratic mayor and city council?
Indeed.

Looks like a list of Democrat Plantations in the USA to me.
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Old 01-17-2017, 12:44 AM
 
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This thread is so stupid that it's mind boggling that the OP came up with it.

Take Detroit, since it's at the top of your list.

What exactly should the city's residents do? There is no Republican machine in the city whatsoever. Democrats run unopposed. The Democratic primary IS the election.

Why?

Because Republicans moved their power base out to the suburbs, where they run practically unopposed. Get it?

If Republicans ran Detroit, Detroit would be essentially the SAME city. They'd have the same taxes, same businesses, same criminal element, same everything. There aren't a million different ways to run a large city...the modus operandi is the same pretty much everywhere. Your success will largely be dictated by how much tax money you can collect, how many people have jobs, and how many businesses make their homes there.

Large cities are run by political machines (even when they don't call it that) that runs on connections and favors. No one really gives a damn about political parties. It's about money and power. A lot of big city Democrats are political conservatives, but they have to play ball to get things done. Cities like Detroit pass around billions of dollars in contracts and grants. If you want IN, you play ball.

That's life. Republican controlled areas are exactly the same
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:06 AM
 
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This thread is so stupid that it's mind boggling that the OP came up with it.

Take Detroit, since it's at the top of your list.

What exactly should the city's residents do? There is no Republican machine in the city whatsoever. Democrats run unopposed. The Democratic primary IS the election.

Why?

Because Republicans moved their power base out to the suburbs, where they run practically unopposed. Get it?

If Republicans ran Detroit, Detroit would be essentially the SAME city. They'd have the same taxes, same businesses, same criminal element, same everything. There aren't a million different ways to run a large city...the modus operandi is the same pretty much everywhere. Your success will largely be dictated by how much tax money you can collect, how many people have jobs, and how many businesses make their homes there.

Large cities are run by political machines (even when they don't call it that) that runs on connections and favors. No one really gives a damn about political parties. It's about money and power. A lot of big city Democrats are political conservatives, but they have to play ball to get things done. Cities like Detroit pass around billions of dollars in contracts and grants. If you want IN, you play ball.

That's life. Republican controlled areas are exactly the same
What so stupid about it, that black people are somehow bound to the democratic party? In 2012, 97.5 percent of the city went for Barack Obama!

Whats the story of Detroit since the 1960's but the Left , Great Society programs, very poor black leadership and Democratic party incompetence.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...iverge/417372/

5 Ways Liberalism Destroyed Detroit - John Hawkins

So much crime that the black middle calls abandons the city. Union corruption. White citizens were attacked until they left, black riots. The city's per-capita tax burden is the highest in Michigan. Detroit has the country's highest property taxes on homes, the top commercial property tax and the second-highest industrial property tax.

"Black and white middle class flight means less cash available for big government programs, pensions, and the incredibly generous, but almost completely unfunded union health care program". It's fantastic that the city paid "80 percent to 100 percent of retirees' medical costs"

The government is completely incompetent: Ever notice that the bigger government seems to get, the less it does anything well? Citizens of Detroit could tell you all about that. The school system is horrible, which explains why a staggering 47% of the population is illiterate. In addition, 40% of the street lights don't work, only about 1/3 of the ambulances are running, and 2/3 of the parks have been closed since 2008."

Just to give you an idea of its priorities, an independent report in 2012 suggested the city fire 80% of the Water and Sewage Department including a horseshoer" that it has on staff even though it has NO HORSES.. How did the union respond to that report? "They don’t have enough people as it is right now. They are just dreaming to think they can operate that plant with less."

Detroit may not have enough police, ambulances, or competent teachers, but if you ever need a horseshoe in the Motor City, they've got you covered."

How does someone like Lee Kuan Yew able to take a third world nation like singapore and make it into a first world nation by discipline and law and order and investment but we cant take one of Americas former powerhouses and make it at least livable?

Ranked among the country’s top 25 richest metro areas in the mid-1960s were Rockford, Illinois; Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Ann Arbor, Michigan; Des Moines, Iowa; and Cleveland, Ohioand Detroit Michigan

Look at how the social revolutions of the 1960s and years and years of of democratic party incompetence and the Great society programs have changed this.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:09 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Republicans and their money all fled to the suburbs a couple generations ago because they had no solutions for aging infrastructure, urban decay, or demographic shifts. If they wanted to 'save' the cities they would have stayed and engaged in the effort. It's easier to sit around and complain.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:16 AM
 
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Republicans and their money all fled to the suburbs a couple generations ago because they had no solutions for aging infrastructure, urban decay, or demographic shifts. If they wanted to 'save' the cities they would have stayed and engaged in the effort. It's easier to sit around and complain.
The black middle class fled as well and the government programs like The War On Poverty and Great Society and the social revolutions of the 1960's certainly were a dagger as well.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:41 AM
 
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What so stupid about it, that black people are somehow bound to the democratic party? In 2012, 97.5 percent of the city went for Barack Obama!

Whats the story of Detroit since the 1960's but the Left , Great Society programs, very poor black leadership and Democratic party incompetence.

Why the Economic Fates of America

5 Ways Liberalism Destroyed Detroit - John Hawkins

So much crime that the black middle calls abandons the city. Union corruption. White citizens were attacked until they left, black riots. The city's per-capita tax burden is the highest in Michigan. Detroit has the country's highest property taxes on homes, the top commercial property tax and the second-highest industrial property tax.

"Black and white middle class flight means less cash available for big government programs, pensions, and the incredibly generous, but almost completely unfunded union health care program". It's fantastic that the city paid "80 percent to 100 percent of retirees' medical costs"

The government is completely incompetent: Ever notice that the bigger government seems to get, the less it does anything well? Citizens of Detroit could tell you all about that. The school system is horrible, which explains why a staggering 47% of the population is illiterate. In addition, 40% of the street lights don't work, only about 1/3 of the ambulances are running, and 2/3 of the parks have been closed since 2008."

Just to give you an idea of its priorities, an independent report in 2012 suggested the city fire 80% of the Water and Sewage Department including a horseshoer" that it has on staff even though it has NO HORSES.. How did the union respond to that report? "They don’t have enough people as it is right now. They are just dreaming to think they can operate that plant with less."

Detroit may not have enough police, ambulances, or competent teachers, but if you ever need a horseshoe in the Motor City, they've got you covered."

How does someone like Lee Kuan Yew able to take a third world nation like singapore and make it into a first world nation by discipline and law and order and investment but we cant take one of Americas former powerhouses and make it at least livable?

Ranked among the country’s top 25 richest metro areas in the mid-1960s were Rockford, Illinois; Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Ann Arbor, Michigan; Des Moines, Iowa; and Cleveland, Ohioand Detroit Michigan

Look at how the social revolutions of the 1960s and years and years of of democratic party incompetence and the Great society programs have changed this.
THERE IS NO OTHER MACHINE IN DETROIT EXCEPT THE DEMOCRATIC ONE!

The black power structure inherited this system in 1972...what exactly do you want them to do? Vote for a non existent opposition party? Republicans aren't an option. They don't exist.

How hard is that to understand?

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