LA Times explains why MediCal and ACA are failures (wages, insurance, companies)

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Starting a business or becoming a writer was NEVER prohibited in the first place. You just had to take your OWN risk to become successful at that endeavor, now that risk has been socialized and has PROVEN to be an utter failure of a model. Complete and total failure.

When that writer became sick they usually waited until it snowballed into a larger issue and then sought emergency room care. This ends up being more expensive for you, Joe Q Taxpayer.

Even if you could give a crap about your fellow Americans (which seems likely) it will cost less if everyone has full time health care coverage. There's a reason Germany and Japan and Australia, etc etc spend less of their money on healthcare than the US. Even while (GASP!) all three have private insurance markets.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Starting a business or becoming a writer was NEVER prohibited in the first place. You just had to take your OWN risk to become successful at that endeavor

It was prohibitive ECONOMICALLY for people to leave their jobs because their employer would no longer be covering their health insurance.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

When that writer became sick they usually waited until it snowballed into a larger issue and then sought emergency room care. This ends up being more expensive for you, Joe Q Taxpayer.

Even if you could give a crap about your fellow Americans (which seems likely) it will cost less if everyone has full time health care coverage. There's a reason Germany and Japan and Australia, etc etc spend less of their money on healthcare than the US. Even while (GASP!) all three have private insurance markets.

That logic has been proven wrong over the past 7 years. "It's about caring for your fellow man!" "It'll be cheaper!" "Like your doctor, keep your doctor!"

Nancy Pelosi now has tried to pawn it off on Republicans (kind of like you do).

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

That logic has been proven wrong over the past 7 years. "It's about caring for your fellow man!" "It'll be cheaper!" "Like your doctor, keep your doctor!"

Nancy Pelosi now has tried to pawn it off on Republicans (kind of like you do).

Then why haven't the insurance and health care markets wrecked the economies of France, Germany, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc? They've had multiple generations test the theory at this point.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

Then why haven't the insurance and health care markets wrecked the economies of France, Germany, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc? They've had multiple generations test the theory at this point.

Why did ACA implode?

Also, are you sure socialized healthcare is "working" in France, Germany, Canada, etc? Have you ever had healthcare in Canada, Germany, or France or are you just regurgitating what you've been told by CNN and MSNBC?

The statistics paint a bleak picture. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the European Union will see an increase in health expenditure of 350% by 2050, whereas at the same time the economy is only set to expand by 180%.

Some work has already been done to estimate the real impact on future expenditures. Friedrich Breyer, a professor of economics at the University of Konstanz in Germany, calculates that in Germany alone between 2020 and 2030 there will be a huge spike in the number of elderly people alongside an enormous drop in young and working-age people. "This will mean a dramatic increase in individuals' payroll tax contribution rates to health care to 20.7% in 2030 and over 23% in 2040," he says. This compares to just 11.4% in 1980.

According to Beyer, the healthcare systems that are actually sustainable in Europe are from Switzerland and the Netherlands which offer a hybrid (privatized/socialized) system.

As a result of less government control, the Swiss health-care system has been able to reduce waiting time for treatment and pioneers new technology and pharmaceuticals, according to the Institute for the Study of Civil Society, a London think tank known as Civitas.

Elsewhere in Europe, the Netherlands favors a hybrid system. Although the Dutch authorities still administer health care and provide subsidies to the more vulnerable, they also promote a competitive insurers market similar to that in Switzerland.

This is the system being proposed by the GOP, that will be known as TrumpCare, which will be implemented (championed by Rand Paul).
Europe's Failing Health - WSJ

[TheFlats]

ACA didn't and isn't imploding. Don't know why you think that. I have relatives in Canada and studied the economics of health care pretty extensively in university. Plus, ya know, I have two eyes and a brain. I can see that those economies aren't falling into the sea. I specifically listed countries that weren't on a single payer system, but rather a hybrid public-private. Also note that your article that quotes Breyer is discussing aging populations, something that is different in the US than in the EU largely due to our immigration.

Lets strike a bargain and adopt the Swiss or Dutch model if you agree that they are sustainable.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

ACA didn't and isn't imploding. Don't know why you think that. I have relatives in Canada and studied the economics of health care pretty extensively in university. Plus, ya know, I have two eyes and a brain. I can see that those economies aren't falling into the sea. I specifically listed countries that weren't on a single payer system, but rather a hybrid public-private.

Lets strike a bargain and adopt the Swiss or Dutch model if you agree that they are sustainable.

Are you willing to part with an extra 18%-25% of your taxable income every month to do so? Because that's the political battle you will have to fight to get a model through like the Swiss/Dutch.

How would you convince people who are barely able to afford the privilege of living under a roof to give up that much more of their income for hybrid socialized healthcare?

Also, the U.S has an obesity rate that is about 2-3 times more than those countries so our cost would actually be much higher because we have a lot more fat oafs who will suck resources out of the system. How would you compensate for that?

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Are you willing to part with an extra 18%-25% of your taxable income every month to do so? Because that's the political battle you will have to fight to get a model through like the Swiss/Dutch.

How would you convince people who are barely able to afford the privilege of living under a roof to give up that much more of their income for hybrid socialized healthcare?

Also, the U.S has an obesity rate that is about 2-3 times more than those countries so our cost would actually be much higher because we have a lot more fat oafs who will suck resources out of the system. How would you compensate for that?

The Swiss aren't paying anywhere close to 20% of their income in taxes for healthcare. I'd love to address housing insecurity in addition to healthcare. Australia is on average "fatter" than the US. They do fine. Keep swinging CR.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

The Swiss aren't paying anywhere close to 20% of their income in taxes for healthcare.

Uh yes they are. The Netherlands has a 52% income tax rate for the highest bracket. That's because you need more tax revenue to support socialized programs, that is a fact.

I'd love to address housing insecurity in addition to healthcare. Australia is on average "fatter" than the US. They do fine. Keep swinging CR.

Australia also only has a population of 23 million. How many illegal aliens does Australia have?

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

In other words, this failed 32 year old actor is busy playing make believe on the backs of California tax payers. He's not elderly, crippled, disabled, or mentally compromised or any of the cases many leftist democrats try to bring up when discussing the expansion of MediCal, he's simply an able bodied healthy man making the decision to NOT work full-time and let California tax payers foot the bill so he can play pretend for 20 hours a week.

Also, Pelosi's comments fit pretty well here.



Yup, just quit your job and shirk all responsibility so you can become an "artist" while taxpayers subsidize your lifestyle!

13.5 million Californians are covered by Medi-Cal. Here's how Trump's plan could cost the state - LA Times

There is a special place in the Theological Place of Eternal Punishment reserved for Pelosi because of her actions harming countless millions of Americans. She is a total waste of the oxygen in the atmosphere.