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I didn't mean to come off curt, and if I did, I apologize, you may very well be right, however, I seem to remember that it happened...there was a lot of press over something, and then he wasn't in a whole lot of movies any longer....so? But I seem to remember something happening with him...?
You could always google it. If you had, you would know it was Penn's father who was blacklisted because he refused to give names to HUAC. Remember that swell guy McCarthy? Google him. Sean Penn filed a suit against Steve Bing on the grounds that he believed Bing fired him from a leading role due to Penn's anti-war views.
Well, I'm glad we were able to discuss this and thank you for taking the time...greatly appreciate.
If "the jury is still out with Trump" for you or anyone else, I hate to guess what evidence you lack or need to have arrived at a verdict well long before now. The verdict that Trump is utterly unfit to be POTUS and has us moving backward rather than forward, seems obvious to me. More and more obvious as I follow the news every day.
Nevertheless, I'm sure you have your collection of "alternative facts" that those still unsure about Trump tend to value more than the truth of these matters, and I've read them all in this forum, so not likely any good can come of further exchange about that.
Your kind words are appreciated as well, but I really don't devote all that much time in the mornings to quickly scan and reply to some of these comments in this forum. I agree that even people who we don't agree with can be good people too. Unfortunately, even Al Quaida can "win hearts and minds" with acts of kindness.
It's the walk more than the talk that matters most, and even "good kind-hearted people" who are inclined toward bigotry, racism, sexism, intolerance of others (like actors, gay people, peaceful protesters, Liberals), remain the problem no matter how good or kind-hearted they may appear...
I do find it ironic that Hollywood being so liberal and rather condescendingly preaching their values of accepting everyone, Oscars 2016 were being boycotted by some because of non-white nominees in the major categories. White actors may have just been better that year, but so much for the diversity they love to preach about.
I do find it ironic that Hollywood being so liberal and rather condescendingly preaching their values of accepting everyone, Oscars 2016 were being boycotted by some because of non-white nominees in the major categories. White actors may have just been better that year, but so much for the diversity they love to preach about.
Equally ironic is the conservative ability to find versions of "reverse discrimination" in just about every effort to point at what is obviously an over-representation of certain people in certain industries and in positions of power, whether in business, government or Hollywood...
Is it also that Jews "just happen to be better" that explains why they are mentioned, featured and honored in Hollywood/movies far more than any other religious group, year after year, decade after decade? Was that also the reason blacks were not playing baseball or football for all those years before they were allowed? What of minorities and women in positions of leadership in government, business? And Hollywood again too?
Is it because all those/these years older white men "just happen to be better?"
I'm an older white male, and though I don't think I am any sort of fool, I'm not stupid or condescending or so lacking in humility to "preach" that older white men "just happen to be better" at just about everything related to power and wealth in this country!
Of course people who see these problems of discrimination, lack of inclusion, "old boys clubs," racism, sexism, etc. are going to "preach" against these wrongs if they have a conscious and care at all for those suffering from injustice. Right?
MLK one of the best "preachers" the country has ever known. Should have kept his mouth shut?
What else might we or should we expect of people who care about righting wrongs in whatever way they can?
no, actually Sean was rejected by Hollywood for a long time, believe me, your not nearly as old as me....I googled it to and nothing was said about it, but I certainly remember it.
I mean they didn't walk around saying, YOUR BLACKBALLED, they just did it. and it made me very angry, b/c like it or not, he was always a very powerful actor...
and BTW, it's not a general grip, it's open for discussion...
Sean Penn was never blacklisted. You're thinking of somebody else.
Seems we probably agree about much, "see eye to eye" in general. Accordingly, I wondered how your axioms might compare to mine if I were to attempt to enumerate them as you have.
That would take some thinking and time on my part, because I suspect I've got more than just two rules of thumb at work when I evaluate other opinion and/or express mine. Time I don't have right now...
Instead, regarding your two axioms, I sure hope what ideas you hold require a fair bit more in the way of criteria beyond not subscribing to those either "slightly or ENTIRELY devoid of any and all substantiation." Funny, although I know that greatly excludes many ideas expressed in this forum.
Well sure, the converse for example clearly holds true. I DO subscribe to ideas that are heavily substantiated. I put myself at the mercy of the rigors of intellectual verification of claims, and the placement of claims on what I call a "truth continuum". That is I do not rank claims as true or false, but as falling somewhere along a probability spectrum of truth value.
And at all times when I reach a conclusion on any point or any issue I endeavor to run as many self checking algorithms as I can to ensure that I reached those conclusions at the behest of the evidence, and not my personal biases or agendas or desires.
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I came here to learn more about politics and how things work...but get frustrated when people make those blanket hateful comments
Yet you reap what you sow, and you make so many blanket comments yourself that you are likely only to get the same in return. Your blanket comments about how liberals view the law for example were so off kilter as to be the fantasies of paranoid delusion. Or your hatred of Clinton leading you to basically smear all defense lawyers who ever took a case defending a rapist. These are not the comments of someone taking a rational view of things, but someone who is ENTIRELY dependent on blanket statements and dismissals.
as I replied in a previous post, I'm sorry, but I remember something that was going on with him in his earlier years with Hollywood, maybe I'm mistaken, as my memory isn't always loyal...so?
Wow, I didn't realize so many were republicans...
well one thing for sure, they don't seem to vocalize for politicians nearly as much as liberals do....
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