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View Poll Results: What Will The Appeals Court Do?
Votes to Reinstate the Executive Order 37 29.84%
Votes to Continue the Stay by the Seattle Court 77 62.10%
Votes to Restrict New Visitors Only 7 5.65%
Votes to Send the Stay Back to Seattle 3 2.42%
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:51 PM
 
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I do believe that Bannon is calling the shots. Bannon needs Trump to win and implement his agenda. If Trump screws up and get's impeached, then Bannon and all his Apocalyptic apprentices are persona non grata and finito. It will be Pence and Priebus out front and the republican establishment running the show.
I never thought I'd be praying for such an outcome but it's the best of worst worlds for now.
Well, Pence isn't the sharpest tack in the box and maybe Bannon will find a way to play him too and throw the entire Executive branch into complete chaos and we will end up with something crazy like a military coup. Who knows? I'm seeing stuff happen on a daily basis that I once would have thought was too crazy to include in a novel.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Weren't trump's lawyers asked for specific evidence on risk and couldn't provide any?
Trump's entire strategy for America is FEAR. Unbridled FEAR. The crime rate is out of control(lowest in almost 50 years), The terrorists are right outside the door and ready to kill you. We have no vetting in place(not true), The Media is all false(only believe what he say's), The judicial system is all corrupt and against him(Federal judges hate him and America). John McCain is a threat to national security. Nordstroms is picking on his daughter and keeping her from making millions on her cheap chinese crap.
And that's only in the last week.

Believe him. It's a dangerous world out there and only he can fix it.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Did anyone think the communist 9th Circuit would rule anything other than any possible way to harm the USA? Of course, let's let ALL our enemies in, give them welfare and suicide vests since they hate us so much, and just let them kill us and they can HAVE the country our ancestors conquered.

These left wing extremist judges are criminals and traitors.
Even they issue new EO with reasonable restrictions, it will get overturned. 9th court doesn't acknowledge whatever article every one referring on news channels about president rights with immigration. It will go to supreme court eventually. I am not sure it is possible to do judge shopping. Looks like these courts are chosen by states because of history with these courts.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:52 PM
 
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I don't see what everyone thinks is a big deal about this. Same thing happened with Obamas immigration order. And this isn't finished. Supreme Court could rule either way. Trump could also address this by doing more extensive vetting. This is only week 3. 205 weeks to go in this term.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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Trump's entire strategy for America is FEAR. Unbridled FEAR. The crime rate is out of control(lowest in almost 50 years), The terrorists are right outside the door and ready to kill you. We have no vetting in place(not true), The Media is all false(only believe what he say's), The judicial system is all corrupt and against him(Federal judges hate him and America). John McCain is a threat to national security. Nordstroms is picking on his daughter and keeping her from making millions on her cheap chinese crap.

Believe him. It's a dangerous world out there and only he can fix it.
The only thing scaring me is how so many are blindly following him.

Maddow had a poll tonight and among trump supporters, 51% said he should be able to overturn court decisions. Unreal.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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Even they issue new EO with reasonable restrictions, it will get overturned. 9th court doesn't acknowledge whatever article every one referring on news channels about president rights with immigration. It will go to supreme court eventually. I am not sure it is possible to do judge shopping. Looks like these courts are chosen by states because of history with these courts.

Who is going to be putting up the next 2 (at least) Supreme Court Judges up for nomination? Perhaps that is going to be the ultimate check mate.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:55 PM
 
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Trump's entire strategy for America is FEAR. Unbridled FEAR. The crime rate is out of control(lowest in almost 50 years), The terrorists are right outside the door and ready to kill you. We have no vetting in place(not true), The Media is all false(only believe what he say's), The judicial system is all corrupt and against him(Federal judges hate him and America). John McCain is a threat to national security. Nordstroms is picking on his daughter and keeping her from making millions on her cheap chinese crap.

Believe him. It's a dangerous world out there and only he can fix it.
Exactly, and now he has that dullard Jeff Sessions talking about a "dangerous permanent trend" in the crime rate when the reality is that while the reported violent crime rate in the United States rose in 2015 compared to the previous year, it has fallen consistently since the early 1990s.

In 2015, there were 372.6 cases of violent crime reported per 100,000 people, according to the FBI. In 1992, there were 758.2 cases per 100,000 people. In 2008, the year before Barack Obama took office, the violent crime rate was 458.6 cases per 100,000 people. In 2009, the rate was 431.9.

It's just nightmarish dystopian double talk intended to get us all to willingly give up our 4th amendment rights so that Jefferson Beauregard Sessions can make us all safe
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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Green card holders can not work on government jobs. Even for IT contact jobs, they will ask for citizenship. There is no way, they will allow green card holders in military. Government can also revoke green cards. Even people with pending green card application enjoys a right to stay here until they adjudicate the application.
Lol. Not sure about the most recent numbers but 10s of thousands permanent residents are serving in the military.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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Even they issue new EO with reasonable restrictions, it will get overturned. 9th court doesn't acknowledge whatever article every one referring on news channels about president rights with immigration. It will go to supreme court eventually. I am not sure it is possible to do judge shopping. Looks like these courts are chosen by states because of history with these courts.
I disagree, a prudent order based on a real threat and not including clauses about giving Christians preferential treatment, and NOT applying it to permanent US residents would not have even been challenged by a state court.
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:10 PM
 
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Even they issue new EO with reasonable restrictions, it will get overturned. 9th court doesn't acknowledge whatever article every one referring on news channels about president rights with immigration. It will go to supreme court eventually. I am not sure it is possible to do judge shopping. Looks like these courts are chosen by states because of history with these courts.
I'm not sure what your last sentence means.

But I disagree in whole. This roll out was nothing short of a disaster. Done correctly, with proper input and guidance, we might be in a different spot.

The thing is, Trump and is fan club can't accept defeat. But remove the emotion and take the hint.
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